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Date:      Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:14:23 -0800
From:      KAYVEN RIESE <kayve@sfsu.edu>
To:        Jamie <jamie@geniegate.com>
Cc:        rudy rucker <rudy@monkeybrains.net>, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, alex menendez <amen@monkeybrains.net>
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD Popularity
Message-ID:  <Pine.SOC.4.64.1003011612060.2555@libra.sfsu.edu>
In-Reply-To: <20100301114445.GB26935@apollo.podro.com>
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On Mon, 1 Mar 2010, Jamie wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 10:24:19AM -0500, Roger wrote:
>
> It's hard to find a hosting provider that'll do FreeBSD, this I assume
> is because people aren't asking for it and people aren't asking for it
> because they probably don't know about it (or why it's good for server
> level stuff)

http://www.monkeybrains.net/

>
> Clearly, some "marketing" is needed if we are to have choices in the
> future about hosting.
>
> It's not linux users in particular though, a lot of people who *make the
> decisions* don't even know what linux is, they just hear a lot of hype
> about it and figure "everyone else is using linux, so it must be
> better".
>
> I see this all the time with PHP and MySQL, when I suggest postgresql
> for some applications, it's "brought to my attention" that postgresql
> has "fallen behind" mysql by the business owners who make these
> decisions. (and PHP... well.. thats way better.. because it won the
> popularity contest)
>
> These are people who don't know what linux or UNIX or referential
> integrity is. They don't see that just because it's "easier" to get
> started with linux or mysql, it doesn't make them better tools, it
> just makes them more popular tools among the masses.
>
> When 20 people say mysql and I say postgresql, in the eyes of someone
> who really doesn't know.. they'll always choose mysql.
>
>> So I would love it if FreeBSD continues to improve and involve without
>> being influenced by Linux, Windows or Mac.
>
> I don't mind if freebsd takes the good things from linux and mac, I just
> hope the base system never requires an X server and a bazillion gnome
> libraries... :-)
>
> One thing about linux and marketing, linux HAS done a lot of good toward
> bringing alternatives to the windows crowd mindshare.
>
> Jamie
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