Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:36:20 -0500 (EST) From: Lanny Baron <lnb@FreeBSDsystems.COM> To: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com> Cc: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>, Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>, opentrax@email.com, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freedom@FreedomTC.COM Subject: Re: enough already -->accessing portal site Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0011141224580.62920-100000@satan.freebsdsystems.com> In-Reply-To: <200011141659.JAA21802@usr08.primenet.com>
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Hello, For the last and final time, the reason for sending the mail with the word "disgusting" to Intel, was that to me, it was disgusting that it appeard that Intel had gone the M$ way in terms of accessing M$'s site(s). I had told numerous call centers about the problem with the inabilatiy to access sites within Intel. None of the other mail was cc'd to advocacy. It was the last mail, in which "disgusting" was used (and I still maintain it was used rightly, and was warranted) and cc'd to advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, that I had only .. underline ONLY, had the intent of showing the advocacy community that as a commited person in the sense of using FreeBSD as the focal point of our business, that people on the list would see someone taking an active role in getting the site at Intel to be able to be used by other browsers and for people like myself who will not be forced to use I.E. The next step is to try to get audio/video software makers to make code for FreeBSD so that courses offered by various companies such as, Intel's certification programs, do not have to use Windows to use online learning tracks. Please end this constant mailing about the portal site. It's a shame that one cannot be like a top notch lawyer (very strong in cross examination) and then cc it to advocacy. Once again, I did not occur to me that my mail would construe to anyone that I was trying to get Intel to think that they would receive tons of mail from the FreeBSD community. Lanny On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Terry Lambert in the last wild and more than exciting...: > > Greg, what are you trying to do to me??? Are you trying to get people to > > hate me? I have spent almost 1 year trying to make business plans for > > Freedom Technologies Corporation, which exists, and sells FREEDOM > > SERVERS with FreeBSD installed. > > No, he's just trying to get you to stop sending email that have the appearance > of collusion with the FreeBSD Project. If you want to send a "heads up" to > a FreeBSD mailing list, use BCC so the person or company you're sending the > mail to will not misconstrue your message as coming from or being approved by > the FreeBSD Project or the Advocacy group. I always see these types of postings from the corporate perspective as a threat of a "call to arms" to mobilize a large group of some unknown vitriolic bent. As such, seeing the Cc: can be an incredibly effective tool, if it is used correctly. That said, I suspect that if there is intent to use the advocacy address as a truncheon to get your way, that it would be best if it were a padded truncheon: polite, with no rancor. I rather expect that Intel reacted as it did to avoid getting "slashdotted" by a bunch of advocacy lunatics (promptly, and with a higher level than might otherwise be expected management response, and with rapidly implemented changes to the site, not just "lip service"). I personally have no objection to the list being used as a mild threat/lever in order to get a result that one might not otherwise be able to get, using simply a private note to the webmaster, who probably gets hundreds of such things each day, and files them in his/her /dev/null folder. But next time, let's pad that whiffle-bat. PS: Setting a "Reply-To:" would take care of most of the concerns about them getting SPAMmed with a bunch of responses in the context of a list. Probably a better idea would be a list whose sole intent is to be used as a lever with vendors, but that would probably not be approved by The Powers That Be, for the same reasons they object to using advocacy that way in the first place. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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