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Date:      Fri, 03 May 2019 03:00:05 +1000
From:      Michelle Sullivan <michelle@sorbs.net>
To:        "N.J. Mann" <njm@njm.me.uk>
Cc:        freebsd-stable <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: ZFS...
Message-ID:  <0D0C3E6C-3ED3-4629-BD26-B4D23ABC3800@sorbs.net>
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Michelle Sullivan
http://www.mhix.org/
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> On 03 May 2019, at 02:24, Michelle Sullivan <michelle@sorbs.net> wrote:
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> N.J. Mann wrote:
>> Hi,
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>> On Thursday, May 02, 2019 09:27:36 +1000 Michelle Sullivan <michelle@sorb=
s.net> wrote:
>>>> On 02 May 2019, at 02:16, Chris <chrcoluk@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> Your story is so unusual I am wondering if its not fiction, I mean all
>>>> sorts of power cuts where it just so happens the UPS fails every time,
>>> The only =E2=80=9Cfiction=E2=80=9D is the date.. was the 10th not the 19=
th March... https://www.southcoastregister.com.au/story/5945663/homes-left-w=
ithout-power-after-electrical-pole-destroyed-in-sanctuary-point-accident/
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>>> UPSes do glitch out sometimes, but rarely..  they do have problems when 1=
1kv comes down a 240v line though...
>> I am sorry to hear about your loss of data, but where does the 11kV come f=
rom?
>> I can understand 415V, i.e. two phases in contact, but the type of overhe=
ad
>> lines in the pictures you reference are three phase each typically 240V t=
o
>> neutral and 415V between two phases.
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> Bottom lines on the power pole are normal 240/415 .. top lines are the 11K=
V distribution network.
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Oh and just so you know,  it=E2=80=99s sorta impossible to get 415 down a 24=
0v connection, for that to happen you=E2=80=99d need to disconnect any retur=
n (neutral) and then connect it to another phase...  and as most connections=
 are TNE that means dropping the cables on the incoming connection and havin=
g a really dodgy connection.  =20

It is very unusual to get 11kv down a distribution phase and pretty much the=
 only time I have ever seen it is when a cable is cut (a 11kv line) and it f=
alls onto a supply cable... lightning strikes are the most common case.  The=
 second most common (and they are really not) is someone taking out a pole.

The system is designed to drop power out instantly when it happens which is w=
hy it is rare to do damage but we (sparkles) all know that it=E2=80=99s mill=
iseconds not =E2=80=9Cinstantly=E2=80=9D.  Unfortunate part of this is if th=
ey hit the power pole next up the road.. there was no 11kv distribution cabl=
es..  as you can=E2=80=99t see in the photos the pole on the other side of t=
he road had a transformer (not the same one that blew the night before...)

It was a classic example of Murphy=E2=80=99s law, (if something can go wrong=
 to make @ bad situation worse, it will)..  if it wasn=E2=80=99t in the midd=
le of a resilver it would not have had this issue.  If a transformer hadn=E2=
=80=99t blown on the network 6 hours before I wouldn=E2=80=99t have even bee=
n connected to that substation.  If the transformer that blew hadn=E2=80=99t=
 ZFS would have just don=E2=80=99t the rollback I did the night before...  i=
f I hadn=E2=80=99t gone to the server room and checked everything and restar=
ted the resilver it wouldn=E2=80=99t have been doing anything to the drives.=
  If the UPSes hadn=E2=80=99t failed on the night it would have probably bee=
n waiting for me to rollback the 5 seconds when the pole was taken out...etc=
...etc...

So many... =E2=80=9Cif this didn=E2=80=99t happens it would have been ok...=E2=
=80=9D


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>> Best wishes,
>>             Nick.
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> Michelle Sullivan
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