Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:20:45 -0700 (PDT) From: worldly BSD <worldlybsd@yahoo.com> To: Rick Hamell <hamellr@aracnet.com>, "Dimitrios T." <midios3@hotmail.com> Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: no questions? Message-ID: <20000627172045.4138.qmail@web5302.mail.yahoo.com>
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Rick, Being that I am the person whom you are bashing, I would like to point out a couple of things. First, I have read, read and read. Such things as, Man pages, Greg's FreeBSD book and the Online Handbook. I do not recall reading where <bash> is the default shell ! Second, I am a system administrator <SGI & MAC> and I know the importance of "helping yourself BEFORE asking for help". Third, FreeBSD is not <IMHO> an easy OS to install and learn on the fly. It requires <again, IMHO> alot of understanding that may or may not come easy to everyone and since there is not as many reading resources as other OS, I would think that the FreeBSD community would welcome new users their questions, no matter where they get posted. If the FreeBSD community wants to gain more users then this type of elitist attitude may have to get shelved. Yes, I understand that most people with an elitist attitude never see that they have one. --- Rick Hamell <hamellr@aracnet.com> wrote: > > > >Umm... NO....! This is why questions are not > supposed to be asked > > >on -newbies. > > > > I thought -newbies was meant for newbies' > questions.. > > If not, could anyone, explain to little me, what's > the purpose of it? > > That is part of the problem. If you read the First > Aid kit post > that Sue posts about once a month, it explains what > this group is > for. Essentially, questions are meant to be of a > 'WHERE' to get > help/information for those of us who maybe taking > their first steps into > FreeBSD/Unix. -Questions is for HOW questions. > For instance, if I ask how to configure IPFW, that > belongs in > questions, but if I ask where to find more info, > this would be the > place. On the same token if I just spent 42 hours > getting my DSL running > with Natd and IPFW and want to tell others about it, > this is the > place. This is also the place to make suggestions on > how to improve the > newbie friendlieness of FreeBSD (though you'll most > likely be told to go > ahead and fix it. :) > The reason why questions are not answered here is > for the very > reason I pointed out yesterday. Newbies haven't read > all the > documentation, they've not used the system a lot > yet, they've not spent > enough time reading -Questions to know what the > common problems are. The > question I refer to yesterday comes up about once > every two weeks on > -questions, and there are step by step instructions > on how to fix that > problem. > The person who answered was wrong through simple > ignorance, which > I grant is not his fault. But if he'd learned a > little bit more he would > know that BASH is the default shell for root and > should never, ever be > changed under any Unix system. He was also not given > any useful > information on HOW to fix the problem. If that > person was say a system > admin new to FreeBSD and his job (and company!) rely > upon that system > being up... He could possibly lose his job because > he was given the wrong > information to attempt to fix a problem. > Now, I'm not trying to put anybody down, I merely > wish to > preserve this group, it serves a useful purpose for > the Newbie. But if the > powers that be see to many questions being answered > here, and worse yet > answered wrong, they will remove this group, > especially in light of how > much trouble it was for Sue and others to create it > in the first place. > > > Rick > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of > the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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