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Date:      Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:38:36 -0500
From:      Jonathan Lemon <jlemon@flugsvamp.com>
To:        Dan Langille <dan@langille.org>
Cc:        Jordan Hubbard <jkh@osd.bsdi.com>, jlemon@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet fil.c ip_auth.c ip_auth.h ip_compat.h         ip_fil.c ip_fil.h ip_frag.c ip_frag.h ip_ftp_pxy.
Message-ID:  <20010607093836.T82158@prism.flugsvamp.com>
In-Reply-To: <200106071428.f57ESJU01095@lists.unixathome.org>
References:  <200106071328.XAA07291@avalon.reed.wattle.id.au> <20010607065857X.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <200106071428.f57ESJU01095@lists.unixathome.org>

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On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 10:28:17AM -0400, Dan Langille wrote:
> As a non-committer I feel compelled to write so that ya'll know the point 
> of view of a non-developer.
> 
> On 7 Jun 2001, at 6:58, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
> 
> > From: Darren Reed <darrenr@reed.wattle.id.au>
> > Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet fil.c ip_auth.c ip_auth.h
> > ip_compat.h         ip_fil.c ip_fil.h ip_frag.c ip_frag.h ip_ftp_pxy.c
> > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 23:28:48 +1000 (EST)
> > 
> > > Upgrading IPFilter without upgrading FreeBSD.  Users seem inclined to do
> > > this inbetween when I update the source tree (usually because I'm
> > 
> > Those aren't users, those are developers.  The kind of users we tend
> > to deal with wouldn't know how to selectively update part of FreeBSD
> > (much less build it from source) if you held a gun to their heads.
> 
> I'm a developer?  WOO HOO!  Where's my commit bit?

What, you don't have one?  HEY JORDAN!  WE HAVE A VOLUNTEER OVER HERE!


> I have upgraded ipfilter many times outside of FreeBSD upgrades.  I 
> know many other people do it as well.  It happens more frequently than 
> the paragraph above infers.

I'm not sure that this is an issue.  What's happened is simply that 
the IPFilter files have been relocated in -stable and -current from
netinet/* to contrib/ipfilter/netinet/*.  The config(8) files have been
updated to pick up the sources from the new location.

Going forward, if the user of a 4.3-R system wants to upgrade their
version of IPFilter (and only that) to a later released version, all
that is needed is to copy the files back to where the release expects:

	cd /usr/src/sys
	cp contrib/ipfilter/netinet/* netinet/*

That's it, presuming that IPFilter is self contained.  I'd submit that
this actually makes it easier to maintain, as the entire release is now
contained in a single directory, making it easier to switch between
versions if needed.
-- 
Jonathan

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