Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:07:50 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> To: opentrax@email.com Cc: msmith@FreeBSD.org, chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Message-ID: <XFMail.001121160750.jhb@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <200011212355.PAA00656@spammie.svbug.com>
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On 21-Nov-00 opentrax@email.com wrote: > > > On 21 Nov, John Baldwin wrote: >> >> On 21-Nov-00 opentrax@email.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 20 Nov, Mike Smith wrote: >>>>> Let me state this one more time loudly for those calling themselves boot >>>>> code experts. THE PARTITION TABLE IN THE MBR IS NOT DEALT WITH BY THE >>>>> BIOS, >>>>> BIOSES THAT TRY TO MAKE HEADS OR TALES OF PARTITION TABLES ARE >>>>> TECHNICALLY >>>>> BROKEN AND VIOLATE IBM AT COMPATIBILITY. If you doubt this go read about >>>>> BIOS service 19H, IPL load. >>>> >>>> It doesn't matter how loudly you shout, or what exactly you stuff in your >>>> ears. The fact is that this code exists, is part of the de-facto >>>> platform standard, and has to be dealt with as such. >>>> >>>> You are welcome to continue to dual-boot FreeBSD and PC-DOS 2.0. In the >>>> meantime, the rest of us are living in the real world, and dealing with >>>> real-world problems. Please let us get on with what has to be done. >>>> Thankyou. >>>> >>> Has it occured to you that perhaps there are people that really, really >>> want DD? >> >> People really, really want cold fusion, too, but that desire doesn't mean >> doodly squat. Please don't enter the discussion unless you have something >> remotely useful to say. Many of us have spent quite some time thinking >> about >> all the real world issues involved here. >> > Mr. Baldwin. With regards to your response, it draws little relevance to > the topic at hand. I'm asking a question with the assumption that, > perhaps, those arguing for removing DD can be specific. I could take the > posteir (sp?) similar to yours, but I'm working on restraint. :-) > > I can see many people are passionate about this topic. So, spelling out > the issues and facts might help remedy this difficult situtation. > Per your comment, about spending "some time thinking about all the..", > I've assumed as much. I'm not considerig your opinion in this matter > any more _or_ less than anyones. (That includes Mr. Smith). The only problem is that the issues _have_ been discussed in excruciating detail many times. I suggest you make use of the mail archives. > alternatives, most we don't like. Yes, we can run a "booteasy" > style booter to help certain issues. However, we don't sell to > newbies and our systems are run by professionals. > > With that consideration, wouldn't it make good sense to use DD? Considering that some SCSI BIOS's crash during boot (even if they _aren't_ the boot disk) if you use DD, no. We shouldn't be blowing users feet off for them quite so badly. People should not use DD mode unless their machine will not boot without it. It is not safe with respect to various BIOS's and other 3rd party utilities. -- John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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