Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:24:26 -0400 From: Arnaud Lacombe <lacombar@gmail.com> To: Garrett Cooper <yanegomi@gmail.com> Cc: FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>, FreeBSD Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, kby@freebsd.org, bp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sysctl filesystem ? Message-ID: <CACqU3MUsXwGXQZhX8jhUqCa1e12WiCtLmgkqwK4CVNuPTxw5Vw@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAGH67wS=Hht%2BPrO4_ncZ5vdamigftpLJ-ewARdm47BJ8iox-bw@mail.gmail.com> References: <CACqU3MXaa0R7fG6Q-EqS3h8PJh__tzNeugBxVyqKHxsCR-wTuQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAGH67wS=Hht%2BPrO4_ncZ5vdamigftpLJ-ewARdm47BJ8iox-bw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Garrett Cooper <yanegomi@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Arnaud Lacombe <lacombar@gmail.com> wrot=
e:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I find myself in a situation where I need to directly explore the
>> sysctl(8) tree from my program. The tricky part is this:
>>
>> from `src/sbin/sysctl.c':
>> /*
>> =A0* These functions uses a presently undocumented interface to the kern=
el
>> =A0* to walk the tree and get the type so it can print the value.
>> =A0* This interface is under work and consideration, and should probably
>> =A0* be killed with a big axe by the first person who can find the time.
>> =A0* (be aware though, that the proper interface isn't as obvious as it
>> =A0* may seem, there are various conflicting requirements.
>> =A0*/
>>
>> AFAIT, the whole interface used by sysctl(8) to explore the sysctl
>> tree (ie. list, name, get description) is undocumented. This comment
>> has been there for about, well... 17 years. No matter to say that it
>> is highly unlikely anyone is ever gonna design that perfect interface.
>> Right now, I am left with no choice but to figure out how that stuff
>> work, which I foresee will be a real PITA. No choice ? Well, not so
>> much. About 12 years ago a filesystem interface was written for
>> sysctl, namely scfs(4). It was authored by Kelly Yancey and (?) Boris
>> Popov. Unfortunately, time passed and no code is any longer publicly
>> available. URLs are either no longer valid or password-protected.
>>
>> This interface would just be perfect for my use-case. No need to spend
>> time decoding a prehistoric interface, no need to craft custom
>> accessors. I would just have to use standard POSIX file interface...
>> if the code was available.
>>
>> I was hoping some of the people on this list would either, have the
>> scfs(4) code on their drives/tapes, or have a way to contact the
>> original author(s) and thus have a chance to get that code ?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> =A0- Arnaud
>>
>> ps: I know the code will certainly have to be fixed, but that is still
>> the best option I've got so far.
>
> Alternatively, the interface could just be documented (from
> sys/kern/kern_sysctl.c):
>
> /*
> =A0* "Staff-functions"
> =A0*
> =A0* These functions implement a presently undocumented interface
> =A0* used by the sysctl program to walk the tree, and get the type
> =A0* so it can print the value.
> =A0* This interface is under work and consideration, and should probably
> =A0* be killed with a big axe by the first person who can find the time.
> =A0* (be aware though, that the proper interface isn't as obvious as it
> =A0* may seem, there are various conflicting requirements.
> =A0*
> =A0* {0,0} =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0printf the entire MIB-tree.
> =A0* {0,1,...} =A0 =A0return the name of the "..." OID.
> =A0* {0,2,...} =A0 =A0return the next OID.
> =A0* {0,3} =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0return the OID of the name in "new"
> =A0* {0,4,...} =A0 =A0return the kind & format info for the "..." OID.
> =A0* {0,5,...} =A0 =A0return the description the "..." OID.
> =A0*/
>
> I know 2 closed-source versions that have wholesale stolen/"borrowed"
> the code from sysctl(3), and I adapted the sysctl(8) code for my own
> uses for the cython derivative I made here [1].
>
I guess I will have no choice but to write a third...
- Arnaud
> Thanks,
> -Garrett
>
> 1. http://sourceforge.net/projects/sysctl/
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