Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 16:05:32 -0800 From: Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> To: "K. Macy" <kmacy@freebsd.org> Cc: stable@freebsd.org, Doug Barton <dougb@freebsd.org>, current@freebsd.org, =?ISO-8859-2?Q?z_W=B1sikowski?= <lukasz@wasikowski.net>, Arnaud Lacombe <lacombar@gmail.com>, "Bjoern A. Zeeb" <bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net>, Alexander Leidinger <Alexander@leidinger.net> Subject: Re: flowtable usable or not Message-ID: <CAJ-Vmo=3k59ss77AC8VstVfwHruvoH=6tKek7Z1nsL9YWoOXqA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAHM0Q_Mcf=2S_niBf=S6foS7W7pdgKVcOp9n26nMzzc33igp8w@mail.gmail.com> References: <20120221143537.Horde.deyFDZjmRSRPQ52pxBIpnLA@webmail.leidinger.net> <BA7FFA2D-DEE6-4FB7-AE26-0BC79CBFD8C0@lists.zabbadoz.net> <4F4BA707.5070608@wasikowski.net> <4F4C3FE7.3040802@FreeBSD.org> <CACqU3MWx3pMMDncvOita-OAgfe=NPKtwKE2WeB_mdcYwozY81Q@mail.gmail.com> <4F4D51CB.2010508@FreeBSD.org> <4F4D5E5D.9040302@FreeBSD.org> <4F4DD288.5060106@FreeBSD.org> <CAHM0Q_O%2BCt6yhRL=B9oxgkL8EgLxZdo7-KFO2C8HqiN1=Kx_bw@mail.gmail.com> <4F4ED889.2070608@FreeBSD.org> <4F500BB9.4040307@FreeBSD.org> <CAHM0Q_OfeB7Kb=pgjGq0uffLJdJROGoCaGz=25Jito-kweAxRQ@mail.gmail.com> <4F5088CA.1090108@FreeBSD.org> <CAHM0Q_MZM6Gn_zPzxz5tLuzPOW=kK9YxqmrLTyitvGfAPhrkbw@mail.gmail.com> <4F510FBD.50008@FreeBSD.org> <CAHM0Q_M7mYV5r_AZEcAxi2wWuQ8u0aXTG-H1YaCLXLUytQd9wA@mail.gmail.com> <4F5117A6.2030003@FreeBSD.org> <CAHM0Q_Mcf=2S_niBf=S6foS7W7pdgKVcOp9n26nMzzc33igp8w@mail.gmail.com>
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I've had the same problem with wireless. For some users, wireless works flawlessly. For other users, it's completely unusable. Trying to get any kind of useful feedback from people has been impossible at best. I've even had FreeBSD developers, sitting in the developers IRC channel, say wifi is so broken on FreeBSD they have to boot into windows to get anything done. Yet I still haven't seen any PRs about this. This is why I've been pushing people to keep filing PRs. I can't even begin to investigate what I don't know is broken and if the _developers_ don't use FreeBSD because supported wifi stuff is broken, then .. well, no hope, etc. The honest truth is this: for any system to work, there needs to be: * sufficient users reporting issues; * sufficient developers (and/or companies) wanting it to work and keeping the bug fixes coming; * a healthy cycle between the above two. If _either_ there are no developers or there is no feedback to the developer(s), the cycle breaks, and things rot in very annoying ways. Then you have the next problem, which is: * if it doesn't work, noone will use it * if noone uses it, noone will work on it. Try breaking that cycle. 2c, Adrian
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