Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 10:52:41 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard <jkh@osd.bsdi.com> To: darrenr@reed.wattle.id.au Cc: jlemon@FreeBSD.org, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, core@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet fil.c ip_auth.c ip_auth.h ip_compat.h ip_fil.c ip_fil.h ip_frag.c ip_frag.h ip_ftp_pxy.c Message-ID: <20010607105241J.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> In-Reply-To: <200106071433.AAA07396@avalon.reed.wattle.id.au> References: <20010607065857X.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <200106071433.AAA07396@avalon.reed.wattle.id.au>
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From: Darren Reed <darrenr@reed.wattle.id.au> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet fil.c ip_auth.c ip_auth.h ip_compat.h ip_fil.c ip_fil.h ip_frag.c ip_frag.h ip_ftp_pxy.c Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 00:33:49 +1000 (EST) > Oh, I was trying to avoid it...I'm just glad I've stayed attentive of > what was happening in #bsdcode or I wouldn't have even seen it coming > and then I might have been a bit more upset, especially since nobody > seemed to ask/mention it to me first outside of the commit. That sort I think that was a procedural error which should be judged independently of the actual change and its own merits. To be sure, Jonathan should have talked to you (and the developers mailing list) first about a change of this nature, and the fact that he probably shied away from it out of a desire to avoid getting embroiled in the whole larger fracas is not an excuse. Cowardness has no excuse. :) > Too bad they deemed it below themselves to ask me what I thought of this > given I've had time to think this over since the last flame war. That is too bad. If you'd changed your thinking on the matter then they were evading a problem which didn't actually exist, which only adds insult to injury. That's why we have precedent for doing things like this with advance notification through the mailing lists and don't equate simply chatting about it in IRC beforehand with giving proper notice. You are quite right in saying that someone took advantage of the situation. The decision they made and their logic that now would be a good time to finally resolve the location of the ipfilter bits may have been sound, but they also ran roughshod over procedure in their haste to do this and that can't be tolerated in the future. I've cc'd -core on this because I think that enforcing procedure regardless of circumstances is part of core's function and I'd like this complaint to go on the official record. As the saying goes, two wrongs don't make a right. > I guess there are some developers (geeks) who still need some lessons in > social skills when working in a team environment over the 'net. That's certainly true, yes. I'm also sure that you've received more than your share of emails pointing that very same thing out to you, so I think the best we can do is continue to try and embody whatever standards we uphold and hope that people will learn from our example. We've all certainly fallen short in this area in the past, and in "we" I can safely include everyone on the From, To and cc lines. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message
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