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Date:      Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:33:32 +1300
From:      "Dan Langille" <dan@langille.org>
To:        "David O'Brien" <obrien@FreeBSD.ORG>
Cc:        cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Core's function (was: The Project and onward [was: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet ip_output.c])
Message-ID:  <200103132133.f2DLXWs06667@ns1.unixathome.org>
In-Reply-To: <20010313071704.A74721@dragon.nuxi.com>
References:  <20010313104930.C60817@daemon.ninth-circle.org>; from asmodai@wxs.nl on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 10:49:30AM %2B0100

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On 13 Mar 2001, at 7:17, David O'Brien wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 10:49:30AM +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote:
> > That plus the fact that bikeshed@freebsd.org could be an alias for
> > arch@freebsd.org. =P
> 
> Largely because any discussion one does not care for these days is
> immediately label a "bikeshed".  People are *way* to quick to pull out
> this label these days -- to the point of stifleing useful discussion.

As a contributor, but a non-committer, I can attest to the misuse of the 
"bikeshed" Iabel.  I had a concern and a problem I wanted to solve.  
After getting involved with the problem and coming up with a solution, a 
commiter told me this issue was at the bikeshed level and "I can't be 
bothered with this".  That was very discouraging, patronizing, and 
demoralizin.  I'd rather the committer not get involved at all.  Lack of 
follow through is not very nice.  But labelling a concern as trivial and not 
"worth my time".  It's another sad case where those "higher" up in the 
chain have forgotten what it's like to be "lower" down.

Just because one is not interested in something. that's hardly a reason 
to attempt to discourage others from taking action.  Objections or 
suggestions with technical merit are one thing.  Being above a problem 
is something entirely different.

-- 
Dan Langille
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