Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:03:57 -0700 From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> To: "Nikolas Britton" <nikolas.britton@gmail.com> Cc: Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD <PETER.HARRISON@dwp.gsi.gov.uk>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE... Message-ID: <LOBBIFDAGNMAMLGJJCKNGEKCFDAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com> In-Reply-To: <ef10de9a0604111324y6801eefn46808fffa8156d1b@mail.gmail.com>
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>-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Nikolas Britton >Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:25 PM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE... > > >On 4/11/06, Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote: >> I beg to differ Nikolas, there is still work that needs to be >> done on the disk driver. See PR 95184. It was right to shift the >> release schedule. >> >> I don't know what you running for hardware but I don't think many >> people really appreciate what is going on with SATA these days, >> how incredibly damn fast that mirrored SATA arrays of large 500Gb >> disks are wiping everything else off the map. >> >> In the servers that I have that ARE working with the new high >> speed SATA array chipsets, the disk I/O is an order of magnitude >> faster than anything else. Faster than any UDMA drive, any SCSI >> array you want to throw at it. And larger. and a LOT cheaper. >> >> And disk space is getting so big so fast that mirroring is going >> to be the only option for desktops Real Soon Now, because when you >> have a gigabyte of disk space that is shipping standard with >> a desktop PC and costs only $200 (which will happen by the middle >> of next year) there's no way in hell that you can back that up >> to anything, the costs of tape storage for an office full of >> desktops like that would be out of the question. >> > >Yes... tell me about it, I have a 2TB SATA-II array and it's cheaper >to backup that array to another, off-site, array then it is to go with >tape. Tape is way behind the times when compared with SATA/IDE disk >sizes. > >> And what is more frustrating is this is the best chance that has >> come along for years to kick the crap out of Linux market share. >> Linux support of SATA stinks, they are trying to send everyone to >> the 3rd parties for drivers rather than incorporating them in >> the Linux distros. Well I can tell you that Ying-Tao cloney baloney >> motherboard maker in Asia who is using an off-the-shelf raided SATA >> chipset in their $1.99 motherboard-of-the-month, they aren't going >> to provide drivers for anything other than Windows. >> >> FreeBSD's support of mirrored sata and udma raid chips is already >> better than Linux, but it needs to be absolutely top flight before >> 6.1 ships. >> > >The person you should thank is Søren Schmidt, http://www.deepcore.dk/ > >> You can get around a lot of hardware support problems - such as >> buggy drivers for the serial ports/network card/usb port/etc. - >> but if your disk driver is buggy you cannot even get an OS on >> the hardware that you can even patch. You are dead in the water >> and 99% of the people in that situation are going to toss the >> FreeBSD 6.1 CD and go to something else. >> > >I think the ICH7 sata problem has already been fixed, check the logs >here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/ata/ if not >jump onto the stable mailing list and start waving your hands. > I'm doing a make release on today's cvs as we speak, I'll see tomorrow if it recognizes the disks. Ted
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