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Date:      Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:09:08 -0600 (MDT)
From:      "M. Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com>
To:        phk@phk.freebsd.dk
Cc:        gbergling@0xfce3.net, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: wscons for FreeBSD? 
Message-ID:  <20051027.140908.124085864.imp@bsdimp.com>
In-Reply-To: <25022.1130443059@critter.freebsd.dk>
References:  <200510271147.13917.peter@wemm.org> <25022.1130443059@critter.freebsd.dk>

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In message: <25022.1130443059@critter.freebsd.dk>
            "Poul-Henning Kamp" <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> writes:
: In message <200510271147.13917.peter@wemm.org>, Peter Wemm writes:
: 
: >A syscons replacement isn't such an enticing deal if it still leaves all 
: >the 'console' issues.  Changing something for the sake of change 
: >without fixing the problems just causes transition pain for no benefit.
: 
: Agreed.

Actually, the input multiplexing is what interests me.  The one or
more keyboards part in my description means one or more at the same
time...  There are likewise a number of issues relating to usb
mice/keyboards that are much better in uhid from NetBSD than from
FreeBSD.

This isn't so much about escape sequences and such.

: >Don't forget, we have to deal with the Xservers as well.  Also things 
: >like libvgl.  syscons, with all its warts, runs on i386, amd64, alpha, 
: >sparc64 and there are patches to make it work on ia64 around somewhere.  
: 
: ...but studying the source code, one can't help wonder if somewhere
: inside there is a small device driver struggling to get out...

wscons runs on more than just those systems and is a better match to
the hardware abstractions in the non-vga world.

Warner



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