Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 00:09:37 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi <narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee> To: Matt Freitag <mpf@inodes.us> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where is FreeBSD going? <the never-ending thread> Message-ID: <20040109235913.U32387-100000@haldjas.folklore.ee> In-Reply-To: <3FFF1EBE.9020405@inodes.us>
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Matt Freitag wrote: > Narvi wrote: > > >>"M. Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com> writes: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Whatever. I've consulted lawyers on this who assure me that it is > >>>legal. You've admitted to not knowing US Copyright law and are aguing > >>>emotion, which is why I didn't reply to the rest of your message. > >>> > >>> > >> > >It is not clear that there is a way - as things stand - to get to a point > >where this wouldnot be the case. In appears very doubtful there is such a > >way unless you can get to get everybody whose code has been ever commited > >to send in a real written on paper copyright transfer, the chances of > >which are essentialy 0, even should you be able to trace down all > >involved. > > > > > So there are cases of code by authors being committed into the codebase > without their knowledge/consent? This would be a problem. If code is > being committed against license, I definitely see an issue here. Consider code merges from Net/OpenBSD. There is no explicit permission involved nor needed. > However, If you /GIVE/ your IP to the FreeBSD community, it's no longer > yours. Either way, apparently you'll never make everyone happy, even as Well... See, this is the place where people go wrong. Nobody is *GIVING* their IP or code to anybody (and this includes the original sources from Berkeley), they are simply licencing it. And unsuprisingly enough, there is a difference - a big one - between two two. Whetever one needs to be concerned about that is yet againan altogether different matter. The same would by the way apply even if all of FreeBSD was GPL licenced. > hundreds (or thousands) of people give away their time to produce > something at no cost to you, there's still always going to be someone > complaining. (We refer to this as a sense of entitlement - Many people > have this, and it's an unfortunate growing fad all over.) If you don't > want your code in FreeBSD, don't submit it. Anyone going to pursue some > indictments against Coyote Point Systems? Since their load-balancing > hardware runs FreeBSD, and I don't believe (I'm unsure, but from the > info I've gotten, it doesn't sound like it.) that they give you any of > the source with your purchase of their hardware, Hmm.... > There is no scenario at all under which they would have to give you their code. None at all. > -mpf > > +---- - - > | Resistance is futile, assimilation into the FreeBSD community is > inevitable. > >
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