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Date:      Sat, 20 Mar 2021 09:32:20 -0500
From:      Valeri Galtsev <galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu>
To:        "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office@klepp.biz>
Cc:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: OS to replace FreeBSD
Message-ID:  <617090F5-5664-44E2-AA96-218A486A3C69@kicp.uchicago.edu>
In-Reply-To: <202103192142.55284.office@klepp.biz>
References:  <20210319101040.00005c35@seibercom.net> <c9ca4862-199a-5c6b-1282-18cc32d3486f@johnea.net> <20210319213214.4f8ddf55@archlinux> <202103192142.55284.office@klepp.biz>

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> On Mar 19, 2021, at 3:42 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp <office@klepp.biz> =
wrote:
>=20
> Anno domini 2021 Fri, 19 Mar 21:32:14 +0100
> Ralf Mardorf scripsit:
>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 11:16:33 -0700, freebsd@johnea.net wrote:
>>> Void uses a runit init system with no systemd
>>=20
>> Hi,
>>=20
>> I suspect it's not a good idea to use Linux without systemd. For
>> example, by upstream udev is part of systemd. Maintaining Linux =
without
>> systemd is a bottomless pit.
>=20
> Oh, you can use Devuan - wich works perfect. But I'd reverse the =
argument: It's not a good good idea, to run Linux with systemd. Basicly =
systemd is the argument to move away from Linux.
>=20

Indeed. Once [systemd related] code was aded to kernel, it was it. =
Kernel is polluted, and cleaning that away from kernel only adds extra =
bugs and problems. Even maintaining the branch of kernel stemming from =
pre-systemd is not as good as were it no systemd in the world at all.

But that is just extra argument to move away from Linux (at least =
systems that can be moved away).

Valeri

> Nik
>=20
>>=20
>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 13:35:21 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote:
>>> Recompiling the kernel is *TRIVIAL* if you refuse to do it then you
>>> should not be using any Unix variant
>>=20
>> I dislike this tone of voice. However, I agree that compiling the =
kernel
>> might be less effort, than migrating to another operating system. If =
you
>> would e.g. migrate to Arch Linux, you need to get used to systemd.
>> Getting used to systemd isn't pleasant. If you chose a Linux distro
>> that doesn't use systemd, you likely will experience all kinds of
>> trouble, if you want to customize your install.
>>=20
>> Regards,
>> Ralf
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