Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 20:18:17 +0100 From: =?utf-8?Q?Klaus_K=C3=BCchemann?= <maciphone2@googlemail.com> To: bob prohaska <fbsd@www.zefox.net>, freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Showstoppers for RPI3 Message-ID: <F9445719-7009-445A-9619-80667C541951@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <20200226184624.GA82440@www.zefox.net> References: <20200225175446.GA77976@www.zefox.net> <11951E01-EC13-4FBB-938A-AEB5700C4281@yahoo.com> <CACNAnaEiv5NZZz%2BxfETkhSZ-zbjZ3Ya6z7pyteheP4zj3EK1Gg@mail.gmail.com> <20200226052045.GA79939@www.zefox.net> <E866B6BE-7948-4412-82EF-999A2F8C0DF9@googlemail.com> <04e8e290e5d7bb810f76ece4ff33d6e1006e63cd.camel@freebsd.org> <20200226164559.GA82128@www.zefox.net> <e7ca78ce3e244746da86b41b608d0fa194521dd7.camel@freebsd.org> <20200226173558.GB82128@www.zefox.net> <0D016DDF-3B87-4553-8B0C-CDF322DF7C64@googlemail.com> <20200226184624.GA82440@www.zefox.net>
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> Am 26.02.2020 um 19:46 schrieb bob prohaska <fbsd@www.zefox.net>: >=20 > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 07:02:03PM +0100, Klaus K??chemann wrote: >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-arm-unsubscribe@freebsd.org??? >>=20 >> Don`t judge yourself so hard to non-skilled, >=20 > I've worked with skilled programmers, very clearly I'm not good at=20 > what's required. >=20 > My question about compilers was both sincere (new hardware needs new = machine > language, which means new assembler, which means new code generator = backend) > and a way to open the discussion to other constraints on ARM = development for > FreeBSD. Aarch64-compiler has changed to clang ( I guess some weeks ago or so), clang is not the bottleneck and not a very new tool which nobody knows, = for BSD sometimes the bottleneck is manpower .. manpower doesn=E2=80=99t = necessarily mean that you have to study all assembler-code until you = understand every line(while some devs do understand that all:-) The (BSD-)world does not have to be reinvented for aarch64 either, Sometimes it can help to adopt code which is available elsewhere =E2=80=A6= All matters is the time you can invest, not only the skills you have > There are allusions to lack of documentation, The code is the documentation but you are right: We need to make more information more public in human readable = Textform.. > no doubt true, and > vague references to politics, possibly true. There are also = institutional > interests at stake. One or two big donors have vast influence. I'm = trying > to elicit an estimate of how many small donors it takes to influence = FreeBSD. Please give a little onliner-code-donation or so for the beginning.. = ;-)=20 >=20 > It's worth noting that a very natural Tier-1 platform, Cavium Thunder = X, does > not seem to be anywhere in sight. I really thought it would emerge = first, long > before any of the SBC platforms got serious traction. I have no use = for Cavium, > but expected it to have ample support among big FreeBSD users. Not = so=E2=80=A6.. Right, public users don=E2=80=99t own that machines .. >=20 > I switched to Raspberry Pi because it was a cheap, relatively easy way = to > replace old i386 hardware. It seemed an obvious choice in 2016. Maybe > not now. The problem is then to identify a replacement. There are more = and > more choices coming to market, I'm trying to figure out what the = community > (developers and users) will settle on. So far there's no obvious = concensus.=20 Everything good you do , FreeBSD is running on my Pi3 since days without = switching it off as something like a "UART-gateway =E2=80=9E A good replacement could be to take a look @ Rockchip-gadgets, I will = provide support for one more device the next days(I hope at least, = lol).. but a better way is to say(like Ian): I will never support it (and then support it nevertheless:-) , We have to win some time .. if writing emails the whole day we forget to = code;-) Ha Ha=20 >=20 >=20 > Thanks for reading! > bob prohaska >=20 >=20 entirely on my part Regards Klaus=20
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