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Date:      Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:46:43 +0000
From:      Paul "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Richards=F2?=" <paul@originative.co.uk>
To:        Jordan Hubbard <jkh@osd.bsdi.com>
Cc:        asmodai@wxs.nl, phk@critter.freebsd.dk, grog@lemis.com, rwatson@FreeBSD.org, imp@harmony.village.org, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: Core's function (was: The Project and onward [was: Re: cvscommit:  src/sys/netinet ip_output.c])
Message-ID:  <3AAEA353.B31800B5@originative.co.uk>
References:  <20010313121002.F59348@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3794.984471257@critter> <20010313104930.C60817@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <20010313133108S.jkh@osd.bsdi.com>

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Jordan Hubbard wrote:

> 
> That's why so much of this kind of work goes on inside of
> universities.  They have the kind of time and personnel resources to
> write white papers which give a programmer the kind of outline they
> can work from in writing some actual implementation code, and that's
> usually hardly trivial either.  Some of the most complex work to enter
> FreeBSD in the last couple of years didn't come out of discussions in
> -arch, in fact, they came out of white papers like Ganger-Patt's
> "CSE-TR-254-95" which Kirk followed in writing the softupdates code.

I'm not disagreeing with you here, but it raises some interesting
questions about what this project can hope to achieve if "hard" stuff is
deemed too hard for this kind of environment to accomplish.

I think, from my perspective, that the problem is how to make University
or other research departments use FreeBSD for their reference platform
in the first place, so that their work is done through or at least in
close collaboration with the project. The increasingly anarchic
structure of the lists and project planning in general does not make it
easy for serious research to be based on FreeBSD or for the researchers
themselves to participate in the project. If we're serious about
maintaining FreeBSD as a leading OS then we should be careful not to
lose the close associations it once had with leading research.

Paul Richards.

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