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Date:      Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:53:09 +0900
From:      itojun@iijlab.net
To:        "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>
Cc:        freebsd-security@freebsd.org
Subject:   IPsec/IPv6
Message-ID:  <29578.935394789@coconut.itojun.org>
In-Reply-To: jkh's message of Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:42:46 MST. <4726.935379766@localhost> 

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>> Bah, so FreeBSD will be InSecureBSD ?  Well, so long as the ITAR bear
>> stands around making grizzly noises at people, it seems.
>I wouldn't count on that.  As far as I can tell, what's holding KAME
>integration up is the fact that they're not done merging with INRIA
>yet.

	A news about NRL/INRIA/KAME merging (unified-ipv6).
	unified-ipv6 project has been in big trouble with manpower, design
	differences.  Recently situations changed for all of us so here's
	the decision we have made.

	NRL decided to concentrates on IPsec (because in US not much
	interest in IPv6 than IPsec - people in US are lucky about IPv4
	address space, it seems).
	INRIA will be doing future researches on top of KAME code.  KAME
	agreed to add some knobs that helps INRIA to do their experiment.

	So, it is planned that KAME will have an alias: "unified-ipv6".
	KAME team is trying to ship KAME/OpenBSD and KAME/BSDI4 during
	this month or next month (September).  KAME September 30th STABLE
	kit will officially have "unified-ipv6" alias on it.

	It is now okay to merge KAME code into FreeBSD, I believe.
	If you do not feel ready, I'll be visiting FreeBSDCon so let's
	talk about it there (but will cause 2 month delay from now).

	The biggest problem is how to keep mutiple repositories in sync.
	KAME (= unified-ipv6) code shares most of IPv6 code among *BSD
	platforms.  If FreeBSD repository is modified after import, and
	that conflicts with content in KAME repository, we can't merge that
	back in.  So I would like to suggest FreeBSD project to refrain
	from changing IPv6 part too much, for certain amount of time (*).
	Rather, please send diffs to KAME.

>Once that happens, I'm more than happy to continue to lean on
>Justice Maryln Patel's decision on crypto as free speach in the S.F.
>Bay Area region.  We've already talked to our lawyer, he said it
>looked legit to him, and so we've been shipping crypto on our CDs for
>over a year now.  I even announced it back then, to almost no audience
>reaction whatsoever.  It seems that people like to get more excited
>about the prospect of something being closed than it being opened
>up. :)

	It now happened, so please contact Mr. Patel:-)
	KAME team really needs your suggestions on how to integrate crypto
	part.  In case of NetBSD/KAME integration, we did like this:
	- place IPsec core part and AH part into cvs.netbsd.org (in US)
	- place ESP part and crypto algorithms (DES, Blowfish and whatever
	  in cvs.fi.netbsd.org (in finland)
	We need some tricky symbolic link, or makefile/config hack for this
	separated repository (NetBSD has makefile and config hack).

itojun


(*) As a side note: actually, KAME and unified-ipv6 has been
experiencing big trouble sharing IPv6 code among *BSD, due to
FreeBSD's variable renaming like ifa_list (ifa_link on others) or
time_second (why FreeBSD couldn't reuse time.tv_sec to hold this?
I don't get it).  I'd like propose to fix those back to more standard
ones (ifa_link or time.tv_sec) for portability among *BSD.
If you are okay, those changes will come with FreeBSD/KAME integration.


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