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Date:      Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:18:33 -0800
From:      Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group <Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca>
To:        Richard Wackerbarth <rkw@dataplex.net>
Cc:        thomas.uhrfelt@plymovent.se, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Get used to it. 
Message-ID:  <200003221618.IAA00950@cwsys.cwsent.com>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:23:25 CST." <00032208000803.01108@nomad.dataplex.net> 

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Please read my comments on -chat.  From an amateur psychologist's it 
might be some food for thought.


Regards,                       Phone:  (250)387-8437
Cy Schubert                      Fax:  (250)387-5766
Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team   Internet:  Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca
Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA
Province of BC

In message <00032208000803.01108@nomad.dataplex.net>, Richard 
Wackerbarth write
s:
> On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Thomas Uhrfelt wrote:
> > And yes I know some 
> > answers in the past been more than a little unfriendly, but I don't blame 
> > them. I can take a GO RTFM answer 
> Yes, but that is only because you are knowledgable of the culture.
> As computers have gotten bigger and faster, the OS has become much more
> complicated. The learning curve is huge. Even after decades, I don't pretend 
> to
> know how many parts of it work. I am quite happy to treat those parts as "bla
> ck
> boxes" unless I need to tweek them.
> 
> > I feel like this: - if I want to use "their" software to run "my" system ..
>  
> That's the fundamental problem -- an "us" and "them" attitude.
> Until it becomes an "our" attitude, the schism will continue to limit the
> "community". 
> 
> > I get better support from the FreeBSD community that I do from $10K 
> > support contracts. 
> 
> Yes, the real value is in the COMMUNITY.
> 
> > I belive it has already broken out of the developers sandbox. And I don't 
> > think it's a wish from the current general FreeBSD population that we 
> > should attract more first-timers in masses. I could be wrong on this one I 
> > know .. but it's still my impression.
> 
> We need to work toward developing a "knowledge ladder". By chopping off the
> bottom rungs, you guarantee that, in the long run, the community will wither.
> 
> When it finally comes down to the bottom line, a growing community with
> "acceptable" technology will beat out the "elitist niche" even though they ha
> ve
> superior technology.
> 
> > This is very true indeed, but I don't want those changes in the system .. I
>  
> > want updates in the handbook and the FAQ.
> Beef up the suspension on every vehicle rather than straightening and paving
> the road :-)
> 
> > I don't feel comfortable with a oneclick 
> > checkbox doing multiple operations. FreeBSD forces me to think each step 
> > though
> "One click" solutions save a lot of time...
> if, and it's a big IF,
> 1) The developer of the button really designs it correctly
> 2) There is an over-ride so that it is not the only option.
> 
> >  and this in the end will save me a lot of headaches.
> Only if you are ever able to get started.
> 
> 
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