Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:44:55 -0500 From: "Andrew C. Hornback" <achornback@worldnet.att.net> To: "Jeremiah Gowdy" <jeremiah@sherline.com> Cc: <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: RE: Microsoft Advocacy? Message-ID: <002701c188e7$295a6f20$6600000a@ach.domain> In-Reply-To: <005201c188b4$9bd4cd30$a700a8c0@cptnhosedonkey>
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> -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jeremiah Gowdy > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:42 PM > To: Terry Lambert; Anthony Atkielski > Cc: Andrew C. Hornback; advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Microsoft Advocacy? > > >Basically, it's OK for FreeBSD to be anywhere Microsoft doesn't > >currently want, but if you try and push it somewhere they've peed > >(or Apple tries to push it in one of those places), then it's > >"obviously ill suited, and can never be made to work" (paraphrasing). > > > > Anthony is pretty much here (and on -chat) as a > > Microsoft appologist and advocate. > > > > I'm paraphrasing you. > > > > And that last statement pretty well establishes it, doesn't it? > > What the hell is this, if you don't support The Cause 100%, you're one of > the enemy ? This makes me sick. Do you have to hate Microsoft and agree > with everything they're accused of in order to support FreeBSD ? What the > hell are we now, linux-advocacy ? FreeBSD stands on it's own > merits, not by > detracting from others. No... what I was saying was that this is a forum for FreeBSD discussion. However, I have yet to see more than a handful of posts from some members here that don't mention Microsoft. If we wanted to discuss Microsoft, wouldn't it be logical that we would find the proper forum to do such? > Everyone can have their own opinions about where Microsoft succeeds and > where FreeBSD succeeds. And as for the person who asked if this was > Microsoft-advocacy, what exactly are you thinking ? I posed that question, and here is what I am thinking... This mailing list is called freebsd-advocacy. That has nothing to do with Microsoft, therefore Microsoft discussion and traffic should be considered off topic. Or am I incorrect in making that assumption? > That there can be a > discussion of FreeBSD advocacy without talking about the alternatives ? I welcome discussion of the alternatives. I do not welcome discussion of things that even hair splitters would consider pedantic, especially about a topic not directly related to FreeBSD. > Rather than making any points about anything, it just seems like > people are > characterizing other people and attacking them for any affections > they might > have for Microsoft. To that end, I'll say this much... I don't hate Microsoft. I have a severe disdain for their tactics and have seen "behind the curtain" with regards to the tactics that they use in order to maintain their position as a "world leader". > Let me say this again: > > FreeBSD stands on it's own merits, not by detracting from others. And I agree with you there. However, one person's uneducated opinion should not be trumpted as the voice of truth here. > I'm a Win32 API programmer that uses Windows 2000 or XP on the desktop. I > love Office XP. I use 98, not because I think it's a better operating system, but because I enjoy playing some entertainment titles that simply don't work properly without it. I'm in the process of setting up my FreeBSD workstation for doing real work, so I can demote this machine back to playing games only. > However, I have two huge FreeBSD servers at my > feet that I > just setup for a contract, when I'm moonlighting on my job as a FreeBSD > admin. If you can't accept that both operating systems have their own > merits, or you think that FreeBSD is the end-all solution to > everything, you > don't make a good advocate for FreeBSD and should unsubscribe > from the list. While that sounds like an ultimatum, I stand by what I've said and my stance on both subjects. > I am an advocate of FreeBSD, and I have converted many people. I consider myself to be an advocate for FreeBSD and have also converted a few people and a few entire departments. > But I didn't > do it by being a prick-face-Microsoft-sucks-ass-FreeBSD-rules-all > moron. And neither did I. By simply stating the facts and letting them speak volumes, that is enough. > I > leave that kind of crap for the Linux kiddies. Don't characterize other > people as Microsoft-lovers just because they don't agree with all > of your MS > hate. I have never said that, nor will I ever say that. However, when one person's posts have nothing to do but trumpet Microsoft and downplay FreeBSD... makes you wonder, doesn't it? > You don't have to hate Microsoft to love FreeBSD. Exactly. --- Andy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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