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Date:      Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:15:13 +0930
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Kastaki <kastaki@ganbert.com>
Cc:        Claudiu Attila Balogh <claus@saguaro.ro>, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: MODEM & THE COMPLETE FREEBSD
Message-ID:  <20011012141513.A32786@wantadilla.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <014201c15260$6bf15280$5560ff3e@computer>; from kastaki@ganbert.com on Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 03:24:21PM %2B0100
References:  <003401c15122$c4b63d20$2260ff3e@computer> <000901c1519c$a7845460$0901a8c0@claus> <014201c15260$6bf15280$5560ff3e@computer>

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On Thursday, 11 October 2001 at 15:24:21 +0100, Kastaki wrote:
> Thanks......after a long struggle, the modem is now up and running....it is
> a good learning experience, which I can't say The Complete FreeBSD was - I
> believe that book is a waste of money.
> The first few chapters are good in installing the OS, but the author needs
> to understand that most readers (like me) are coming from other platforms.
> He touched Modems, but never really explained anything about setting them
> up. He never mentioned that Internal WinModems can not be used. Moving on
> the DNS, he set up a network and very slightly explained how to setup the
> named daemon - but never really explained how to set it up in
> general.

There's a book on setting up named "in general", "DNS and BIND",
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/dns4/desc.html .  It's 622 pages long.
Would you have bought "The Complete FreeBSD" if it had been 600 pages
longer and correspondingly more expensive?

> Again he does the same thing with Samba 

"Using Samba", http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba/, 413 pages.

> and Apache.

"Apache: The definitive guide", http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/apache2/.

> This book was a waste of time, and I am resorting to either asking
> questions on this mailing list,

You seem to like doing things in an unorthodox manner.  From the
charter for this mailing list, which you received when you subscribed:

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> I am enjoying myself, but I just feel I want to catch up with
> everyone else on this mailing list, and that this book has slowed me
> down massively.

Maybe you can point to how?  I believe that, with the exception of not
mentioning "win" modems, your claims are unfounded.  What particular
problems with the book slowed you down?

> I still like to know a simple fact - why is it impossible for
> FreeBSD to work with Internal Modems (especially WinModems).

It isn't.  But I have promised not to answer technical questions on
this mailing list.

Greg
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