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Date:      Sat, 3 Nov 2001 23:49:55 -0800
From:      "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com>
To:        "Jason Halbert" <jason@jason-n3xt.org>, <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>, "Forrest Aldrich" <forrie@forrie.com>
Subject:   RE: ADSL with Verizon
Message-ID:  <002a01c16505$4b6a8b00$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com>
In-Reply-To: <06cc01c164f2$104a42d0$2af9620c@jason>

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  There is no difference from the Telco's perspective to a PPP DSL link
than a RFC1483 Bridged link.  (note that there's both RFC1483 Bridged
and RFC1483 Routed)  There are a great many ISP's out there that provision
PPP DSL on links that are set up to run Bridged, they do this because it's
easier to retrofit their billing systems to think that DSL links are just
fast dialup links.  Also there are some switches like the Redback that can
make the DSL link look like a bridged link from the customer perspective
but a PPP link from the ISP perspective.  In short there's some real screwy
things out there.

  In our market we provision Verizon DSL all-time bridged links with static
IP numbers.  I understand that Verizon.net also provisions Bridged here on
Verizon DSL too, but they do mandate DHCP.  But as for other ISP's, who
knows?  Certainly, there's much incentive for the large national providers
to force users to run these crappy GUI-type "connection" programs so they
can hose up the user's system and make it difficult for them to switch to 
other ISP's.  They have been doing this already for years now with dialup.

Ted Mittelstaedt                                       tedm@toybox.placo.com
Author of:                           The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide
Book website:                          http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com


>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
>[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jason Halbert
>Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 9:32 PM
>To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Forrest Aldrich
>Subject: Re: ADSL with Verizon
>
>
>I had Verizon DSL for 2 years.  I do not believe they use PPPoE anywhere in
>their network.  I'm pretty sure they only use the RFC14xx.  It really
>simple getting ADSL working under FreeBSD.  If you are capturing an IP with
>DHCP then just use sysinstall to setup your NIC for DHCP and it will get
>the IP every time it starts up.
>
>----
>Jason
>jason@jason-n3xt.org
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Forrest Aldrich" <forrie@forrie.com>
>To: <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
>Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 21:17
>Subject: ADSL with Verizon
>
>
>>
>> I'd like to hear from anyone who's specifically gotten DSL hooked
>> up/working (presumably PPPoE) with FreeBSD under Verizon's network.
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
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