Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:08:36 +0000 From: Peter Risdon <peter@circlesquared.com> To: Josh Ockert <torstenvl@gmail.com> Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: mot de passe root Message-ID: <1111759716.756.318.camel@lorna.circlesquared.com> In-Reply-To: <126eac4805032504182716bfc4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4241DBED.2050600@libertysurf.fr> <1111654311.756.71.camel@lorna.circlesquared.com> <126eac48050324010546e5949@mail.gmail.com> <1111655431.756.77.camel@lorna.circlesquared.com> <4242DD2C.5030209@eng.ufl.edu> <1111685496.756.96.camel@lorna.circlesquared.com> <4242FD8F.2070801@eng.ufl.edu> <1111692868.756.130.camel@lorna.circlesquared.com> <4243342C.50809@eng.ufl.edu> <1111742906.756.260.camel@lorna.circlesquared.com> <126eac4805032504182716bfc4@mail.gmail.com>
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Josh, On the grounds that this a new front, I'll post on this thread one last time, but I have been suggesting for several posts now that we've all expressed our views and other people can make up their minds without constant repetition from us. On Fri, 2005-03-25 at 13:18 +0100, Josh Ockert wrote: > Good God this is all non-sensical. If you really want to pick up my spelling mistake, which I happily acknowledge I made, it's ironic to see you make one yourself (nonsense is not hyphenated). But English is perhaps not your langue de naissance? If not, I compliment you on your facility with it. J'essaye de utiliser la francaise mais je ne suis pas du tout pres de votre niveau en anglais. > Peter, there is absolutely nothing > to give the impression that questions is meant to be entirely, > exclusively, or even primarily English-language list. True enough for the first two (entirely, exclusively), but people _are_ encouraged to use English and I quoted from the FreeBSD website to demonstrate that. I don't know why you haven't accepted this, even if you disagree with it, or explained why you do not. I have never responded to anyone who posted in a language other than English that they should not have done so - and lots of other people have. I think the list should be, and generally is, welcoming for everyone, regardless of whether or not they have sufficient competence in English to use it to ask a question. But I do disagree with you about the idea that the list should be officially linguistically agnostic. I think people should be encouraged to use one language if possible, and that for a variety of reasons English is the obvious choice. In this, I seem to be closer to the guidelines expressed on the FreeBSD website than you are. But that doesn't mean I'm right, or that a majority would agree. However, it is a valid, genuine opinion and it's a shame you choose to respond to it with insults, even in French, and mail filtering. I guess I should have realised that there's a fairly bitter philosophical divide underlying this sort of debate. It's similar to multiculturalism vs. integration, or the occasional battles within the European Union over language. FWIW, I also think the EU should adopt one language primarily, but that for historical reasons this should be French. And that really is it. I subscribed to this list for technical questions, not for this sort of circular and needlessly personal sort of debate. Peter. > Consider the > following: > > 1) FreeBSD is a US project, and the US has no official > language, so there is no implied language for the project. In > addition, many people in the US speak languages (natively) other than > English. I should know. I'm from Northern Michigan and if you want to > try explaining to a big burly fur-trader descendant named Reuben who > lives on Bois Blanc island that he is not supposed to speak French, > you're likely to get the crap beaten out of you. In short, even if you > look at freebsd.org as being country-specific (I disagree with this in > the first place, but anyway) that still doesn't mean English should > necessarily dominate on its lists. > > 2) There are NO official french-language lists. There is a > French-language list, but it is not official. I am subscribed to it, > and as such I can assure you that, per day, more francophones read the > official list than they do the unofficial french-language list. This > makes it quite unreasonable to expect francophones to use the > unofficial list, knowing they won't receive support. > > If you would like to continue with this connerie, you may do so; but > if you do, don't expect thereafter that your messages will continue to > show up in my inbox. By the way, I assume you are indeed a native > anglophone, so even according to the guidelines there is no excuse for > your spelling of xenophobic with a z. >
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