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Date:      Sat, 29 Apr 1995 10:07:25 -0600
From:      Nate Williams <nate@trout.sri.MT.net>
To:        "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com>
Cc:        Bruce Evans <bde@zeta.org.au>, phk@ref.tfs.com, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org, nate@trout.sri.MT.net
Subject:   Re: What I'd *really like* for 2.0.5 
Message-ID:  <199504291607.KAA24837@trout.sri.MT.net>
In-Reply-To: <13796.799155313@time.cdrom.com>
References:  <199504290737.RAA15373@godzilla.zeta.org.au> <13796.799155313@time.cdrom.com>

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> of debugging information supplied.  I don't know about you, but "bt0:
> not found at 0x330" has NEVER been that helpful to me in diagnosing
> these user problems that people seem to be arguing so vehemently (and
> needlessly) that we need to be able to solve.

That's the problem.  "bt0: not found at 0x330" has been invaluable to me
in debugging users problems.  I use it more than *any* other tool to
find problems with folks setup.

I can't disagree that it never helped you obviously, but sure the heck
has helped me.

> I never disagreed with
> any of that.  I don't, however, think that the current output is
> helpful enough to qualify as anything but noise.

Then let's reduce some of the *un-necessary/unhelpful* noise.  Don't
throw the baby out with the bath-water.

> You guys are
> fighting the good fight, but on entirely the wrong battlefield.  An
> entirely common syndrome among UNIX die-hards and exactly why we lost
> the war to Microsoft.

Cheap shot, and not worth responding to.



Nate



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