Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 23:13:58 -0700 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com> To: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Cc: mi@cs.bu.edu, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISPs and other commercial interests, please read! [was Re: T1] Message-ID: <199507130613.XAA02079@time.cdrom.com> In-Reply-To: <199507130014.UAA20120@mail.htp.com> References: <199507130014.UAA20120@mail.htp.com>
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dennis@et.htp.com writes: > Now you know that we have dual port T1 cards, PPP sync and Frame Relay > software for FreeBSD, so why are you saying such things? More than 150 ISPs > (most with more than 1 card) are currenty using them (although most are As I already clarified, my omission was purely unintentional. I have indeed seen your announcements and would certainly have mentioned them in my posting had I only remembered them at the time. I do take full responsibility for my faulty memory but also feel compelled to point out that if your driver had been in our *source tree* then this omission would never have occured. Before I posted my message I did do a quick look through /sys/i386/isa just to see if I was missing anyone and I only saw the Cronyx. As the saying goes, "out of sight, out of mind", and to me and many others the current source tree IS FreeBSD. Anything I don't see there, I don't think too much about. I'm not saying that you should change your product release strategy to suit me, but do realize that this is one downside of it. > The problem with selling comm is that you won't sell much without real > support. Most ISPs don't know about serial line protocols, or frame relay And I don't suggest doing so. I merely think that charging for support and releasing source are two things that don't have to be mutually exclusive. You evolve a relationship with the customer and you make it plain that any local changes are unsupported. Sure, it's more work to keep everyone sane, but it's not impossible. > You can frown upon the commercial marketplace, or upon companies that want > to protect their six-figure investments by not releasing source code, but > the only way you'll get into the real market is if commercial companies > market products using FreeBSD. You've been ignoring our product since the > day we announced it, when I offered you 2 cards for FREE and you > declined....meanwhile we're selling them as fast as we can build them. Such emotionally charged words! And so unnecessary. I haven't been ignoring you and in fact have gone to considerable trouble to forward each and every announcement you've sent me to those whom I thought could most benefit from the information. I also explained to you that I had no personal use for a pair of T1 cards right now and was much more interested in those cards going to someone who could both USE them and perhaps improve the state of our support. Sending me two cards to sit on my shelf would be a nice gesture, but why waste two perfectly good resources? If you've still got two free ones then send them to Rod Grimes for the the FreeBSD testing lab so that he can verify their functionality with each subsequent release of FreeBSD! > BTW, the Hitachi HD64570 is a mediocre (this is, or course, an opinion) > processor that can "clock" at 5mbs but you'll have trouble filling a T1 > stream with it. We use the SGS MK5025 and MK50H25 processors, which are the > processors used by the largest router companies in their high end routers. > The MK50H25 @25MHz can fill 10Mb/s with single flag separation full duplex. That's interesting information, thank you. Jordan
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