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Date:      Sat, 21 Dec 1996 22:11:43 -0700 (MST)
From:      Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com>
To:        dkelly@hiwaay.net
Cc:        hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Posting to multiple lists 
Message-ID:  <199612220511.WAA29323@rocky.mt.sri.com>
In-Reply-To: <199612220419.WAA24254@nexgen.HiWAAY.net>
References:  <scrappy@hub.org> <Pine.BSF.3.95.961221173438.786D-100000@thelab.hub.org> <199612220419.WAA24254@nexgen.HiWAAY.net>

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Note the little key named the 'return' key.  It provides very useful
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> > 	Somewhat related, but from an 'end-user' viewpoint, I was finding
> > it annoying to receiving the same email in several 'filtered' mailboxes
> > because of cross posting.  Using procmail to do the filtering, if anyone
> > wants to get around this, try at the top of your .procmailrc:
> 

> One day I'll figure out why the gurus seem to prefer procmail over
> slocal.

I started using procmail a *long* time ago, and I've never heard of
slocal (unless that's the filter program in ELM).  I started using it
because it got glowing reviews and guaranteed to do the correct sort of
locking (via it's configuration test) so that it was using the same sort
of locking the local mail program was using *AND* that it tested to make
sure it worked.

> Meanwhile I managed to figure out slocal and .maildelivery
> before procmail and .procmailrc. A problem I have found with slocal is
> that it apparently does not lock files it writes to.

That's why *I* use procmail.  It simply works.

> Use fetchmail to
> download 100 messages via 28.8k PPP and some .mh_sequences files are
> liely to get whacko. Doesn't seem to be a problem if popclient is
> used, but I'm aware the potential is there. Maybe I've answered my own
> question?

That's because popclient is the only thing writing to the disk, where
with fetchmail it uses the local MDA.  I prefer using the local MDA
(hence the reason I just switched to using fetchmail on my main email
box recently).

Losing mail is a very bad thing, and completely unacceptable to me.  If
I lose some FreeBSD email it's OK, but it's possible that I may lose
some work related mail if locking isn't setup correctly, and that's
unacceptable.

To the best of my ability, I've *never* lost any email due to .procmail
that wasn't my own fault.  The only time I've lost email in the last 3-4
years is when I filled up my hard-disk, and no piece of software (except
rm) can fix that.

I've been using procmail for at least 3 years and it has *always*
worked.  However, Jordan has never gotten it working so I don't know
what's different between his setup and mine.



Nate



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