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Date:      Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:30:15 +0200
From:      Steve O'Hara-Smith <steve@sohara.org>
To:        stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: [releng_4 tinderbox] failure on alpha/alpha
Message-ID:  <20030818203015.7e9dc682.steve@sohara.org>
In-Reply-To: <20030817210218.8F0C9C4@CRWdog.demon.co.uk>
References:  <20030817045922.GA48181@rot13.obsecurity.org> <20030817210218.8F0C9C4@CRWdog.demon.co.uk>

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On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 14:02:18 -0700
Andy Sparrow <spadger@best.com> wrote:

AS> Wouldn't the real issue be to control the careless committers then? Or
AS> 
AS> to target them specifically and directly with the Tinderbox failures?

	Speaking as a user who tracks -stable, I like the Tinderbox
reports, it is useful to know when not to attempt an update.

AS> When I automated overnight builds of mutiple branches of a commercial 
AS> product on mutiple OS platforms, sending those build results 
AS> company-wide was never considered as an option.

	I have a similar system - the messages go to everyone who has
any business tracking the development. I suspect yours do too. For
FreeBSD stable builds the -stable mailing list is an appropriate way to
achieve this - the *only* one. It's not the equivalent of "company wide"
that would be the -announce list.

AS> I just don't see why it isn't more appropriate to simply limit the 
AS> messages to people with a commit bit, a specific email alias, or even 
AS> people who checked stuff in since the last sucessful Tinderbox.

	Because some of us who track the branch like to know when it's
broken even if we are not going to be fixing it.

	Your initial assumption that only those who will fix a problem
care to know about it is false.

	Oh yes - I collect my email by dial up modem, payed by the second,
I consider that the tinderbox failure messages add value to the list. I
think they have also had the effect of reducing the "STABLE won't build
today" threads.

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