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Date:      Wed, 09 Mar 2005 16:07:51 -0800
From:      Joaquin Menchaca <linuxuser@finnovative.net>
To:        freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Any thoughts on Graphical install UI?
Message-ID:  <422F8FD7.50309@finnovative.net>
In-Reply-To: <20050220013059.5301ef59.metaridley@mchsi.com>
References:  <4218107A.8050508@finnovative.net> <20050220013059.5301ef59.metaridley@mchsi.com>

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That makes a lot of sense actually.  However, many of the installers 
have ncurses type of installs in addition to the nice smooth graphical 
install, and on top of that they even have a manual non-ncurses command 
line only install. :-)  We can default it to text, but have an option to 
go graphical.

It would be nice to attract more people to the platform and avoid being 
a niche within a niche.

-- joaquin

Dave Vollenweider wrote:
> I'm against this idea.  Why?  Because some of us use lower-end machines
> and having a graphical install ups the memory requirement for the
> installation.  Such installers are fine for desktop machines, but for
> servers and networking machines, they just get in the way since that
> much more RAM and processing power is needed for the installation.
> 
> When I tried to install Red Hat 7.3 back in 2002, it required 32 MB of
> RAM just to run the installer.  A lot of this was because it was
> graphical.  FreeBSD's sysinstall, on the other hand, requires only 16 MB
> (and other BSDs require even less) thanks to the fact that it's not
> graphical.  I don't want to see FreeBSD go in that direction.
> 
> Then there's the issue of how to fit a graphical installer on floppies. 
> Some of us still have to use floppies for booting the installer (and
> then getting the actual files for FreeBSD via FTP) for various reasons,
> and having a GUI installer would make that more difficult.
> 
> I do agree that FreeBSD could use an easier installation program, as
> there are several hidden pitfalls in sysinstall, but I don't think a GUI
> installer is the answer.  An easier-to-understand curses-based installer
> would be a better solution.
> 
> Just my two cents on this issue.
> 
> - Dave V.
> 
> On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:22:18 -0800
> Joaquin Menchaca <linuxuser@finnovative.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Hi,
>>
>>Many Linux flavors both commericial and free have attractive UIs for 
>>installation and package selection, and even to some degree
>>partitioning  and formatting of hard drives.
>>
>>Is there any thought of doing this for FreeBSD?  Having an attractive 
>>UI, ala Fedora and/or gentoo would definately help attract more novice
>>
>>users to the FreeBSD world.
>>
>>Just a thought.  Don't know if this was discussed before, as I'm a 
>>newbie. :-)
>>
>>  -- jm
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