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Date:      Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:15:13 -0400
From:      Cody Baker <cody@wilkshire.net>
To:        freebsd-isp@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Router upgrade....
Message-ID:  <444F9C91.9010205@wilkshire.net>
In-Reply-To: <20060426150732.GQ4202@over-yonder.net>
References:  <D3BBF0C6F2FC0448BFCA2F965F2192631DEB1E@sto1.tcy.prv>	<20060426104803.GO4202@over-yonder.net>	<20060426134530.GB8912@uk.tiscali.com> <20060426150732.GQ4202@over-yonder.net>

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I don't have a lot of 6.0 experience but I'm going to really recommend
that for a production server that you let this chill a little bit before
installing a release candidate.  In my younger days I got burned pretty
hard by installing RC freebsd.

Thank You,

Cody Baker
cody@wilkshire.net

Matthew D. Fuller wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 02:45:30PM +0100 I heard the voice of
> Brian Candler, and lo! it spake thus:
>   
>> I think you're forgetting the time sat in single-user mode while
>> doing installworld and manually mergemaster'ing the rc scripts.
>>     
>
> No, I'm not, because I wouldn't do that   :)
>
> When I upgraded some production systems from RELENG_2_2 to mid-life
> RELENG_4, you're darn tootin' I did a lot of work in single-user mode
> (and some off boot disks, for that matter).  But extraordinary
> circumstances aside, I do virtually all my upgrades in normal
> multi-user, and often many miles from the console.
>
> Now, I get away with it because I've done a lot of upgrades before,
> and I watch the mailing lists and keep track of any gotchas in a given
> upgrade.  But Usually(tm) there's not even a twitch.  I've done
> upgrades from 5.3/5.4ish to RELENG_6 remotely (no console, just ssh)
> several times, on i386 and amd64, and wouldn't flinch at doing it
> again.
>
> To a large extent, the smoothness of doing so is related to how often
> you do it; if you go a year or two between upgrades, accumulated
> differences can make things really unpleasant, while doing it every
> few months is usually grass through a duck.
>
>
>   
>> Personally I prefer the other option suggested by the OP:
>> - build a brand new router using whatever O/S and software revisions you
>>   choose to be on
>>     
>
> Which is the other extreme.  I've rarely been in a situation where I
> consider my "normal" method too risky and went with something like
> this, but "rarely" isn't "never".
>
> In the end, you always have to balance.  In the OP's case, I wouldn't
> be too worried about just doing it in-place; whether that would apply
> for anyone else, I (obviously) couldn't say.
>
>
>   
>> If you want it to come up on the same IP address then you may have
>> to clear ARP caches on some other devices on the same LAN
>> segment(s), but that's about it.
>>     
>
> If you got real smart, you could just pull the NIC and put it in the
> new box, so even if something was foolishly holding onto the MAC, it
> would still get there   :)
>
>
>   




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