Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:10:24 +0100 From: Chris Rees <utisoft@gmail.com> To: John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org> Cc: Tijl Coosemans <tijl@coosemans.org>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Doug Barton <dougb@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap Message-ID: <CADLo83-X2NoNNDU-R_EmznBsR-vE4TW_rG9xXmkRWnCydN2kXg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <201208301255.42473.jhb@freebsd.org> References: <97612B57-1255-4BB3-A6D3-FC74324C6D67@FreeBSD.org> <201208271224.20329.jhb@freebsd.org> <503F7B15.6050607@coosemans.org> <201208301255.42473.jhb@freebsd.org>
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On 30 Aug 2012 18:03, "John Baldwin" <jhb@freebsd.org> wrote: > > On Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:39:17 am Tijl Coosemans wrote: > > On 27-08-2012 18:24, John Baldwin wrote: > > > On Sunday, August 26, 2012 4:37:53 pm Doug Barton wrote: > > >> The problem is that we don't really support the idea of things in the > > >> base magically deleting themselves. > > >> > > >> As I have said in previous messages, the bootstrapping problem is being > > >> overblown by several orders of magnitude. For newly installed systems > > >> where pkg is the default, /usr/local/bin/pkg will be installed. So there > > >> is no bootstrapping problem. > > >> > > >> For already-installed systems who wish to switch to pkg, they can > > >> install from /usr/ports, or use the pkg bootstrap tool in the base. > > >> Given that they will be intentionally making this change, and there will > > >> be instructions written up on how to do this which include the > > >> bootstrapping step, once again this is a non-issue. > > >> > > >> The whole idea of having every call to /usr/local/sbin/pkg pass through > > >> /usr/sbin/pkg in order to help a tiny minority of users with a one-time > > >> bootstrapping issue is just plain ludicrous. > > > > > > I agree. Even if we keep /usr/sbin/pkg, we will presumably want to remove > > > it from the base in a year or so via 'make delete-old', etc. Given that, > > > I'm not sure we need it there in the first place. > > > > What if you pkg_delete \* or rm -rf /usr/local? Do you have to "reboot" > > pkg then? > > Yes, if we've decided it (pkgng) should not be part of the base. This > doesn't strike me as that weird. It seems similar to how one has to > bootstrap, say, MacPorts. Difference is, MacPorts isn't the official Mac distribution centre. Leaving out pkg-bootstrap (or whatever) is marginalising ports as a non-integral part of the OS. How useful is base on its own, really? Chris
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