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Date:      Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:58:38 +0200
From:      =?iso-8859-1?Q?Eirik_=D8verby?= <ltning@anduin.net>
To:        Martin Turgeon <freebsd@optiksecurite.com>
Cc:        freebsd-jail@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Can't upgrade jails to 8.0 using freebsd-update
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On 15. okt. 2009, at 20.56, Martin Turgeon wrote:

> Eirik =D8verby a =E9crit :
>>
>> On 15. okt. 2009, at 19.44, Martin Turgeon wrote:
>>
>>> Eirik =D8verby a =E9crit :
>>>>
>>>> On 8. okt. 2009, at 21.04, Martin Turgeon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Eirik =D8verby a =E9crit :
>>>>>> On 8. okt. 2009, at 19.58, Martin Turgeon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi everyone!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just upgraded a 7.2-REL to 8.0RC1 using freebsd-update. The =20=

>>>>>>> upgrade
>>>>>>> went fine on the base system following the procedure written =20
>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>> announcement email by Ken Smith. My problem is when I try to =20
>>>>>>> upgrade my
>>>>>>> jails, I get this message:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> # freebsd-update -b /usr/jail/mysql/ fetch install
>>>>>>> Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 3 mirrors found.
>>>>>>> Fetching metadata signature for 8.0-RC1 from =20
>>>>>>> update5.FreeBSD.org... done.
>>>>>>> Fetching metadata index... done.
>>>>>>> Inspecting system... done.
>>>>>>> Preparing to download files... done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No updates needed to update system to 8.0-RC1-p0.
>>>>>>> No updates are available to install.
>>>>>>> Run '/usr/sbin/freebsd-update fetch' first.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, if I compare the dates of the files in the base system to =20=

>>>>>>> the files
>>>>>>> in the jails, it's obvious that the jails are not up to date.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It seems like freebsd-update doesn't care about the basedir I =20=

>>>>>>> specified.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It does, but if you do a 'uname -a' - inside or outside the =20
>>>>>> jail - you'll see that it reports the OS revision of the host. =20=

>>>>>> So you should have updated your jails first, then the host ...
>>>>>>
>>>>> Ok but if I update in the process of upgrading the first jail, =20
>>>>> the new kernel will be installed and asked to reboot. After =20
>>>>> that, I will have the same problem when upgrading the other =20
>>>>> jails and the base system, right? There must be something I =20
>>>>> don't  understand well. Thanks a lot for your answer.
>>>>
>>>> The kernel will be installed inside the jail, and the message =20
>>>> about rebooting can be safely ignored. Just run the install =20
>>>> command once more, and you're done and can move on to the next =20
>>>> jail. :)
>>>>
>>>> /Eirik
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Martin
>>>>>> One way to get around it is to replace /usr/bin/uname with a =20
>>>>>> shell script, which calls the original uname (which you have =20
>>>>>> renamed) and pipes through something like sed to replace the =20
>>>>>> revision with what you used to have:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #!/bin/sh
>>>>>> /usr/bin/uname.org $* | sed s/"8.0-RC1-p0"/"7.2-RELEASE_p3"/g
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And this is a seriously butt ugly hack.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /Eirik
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks a lot for your help,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> Thanks a lot! It worked great, but I'm still concerned by the fact =20=

>>> that the world in the jails are from 8.0 while the kernel is still =20=

>>> at 7.2 during the updates of the jails. In the normal update =20
>>> procedure, the kernel is upgraded first, rebooted and then the =20
>>> world is updated. It must have a good reason for this. Why can I =20
>>> jail be an exception to this rule?
>>
>> Because when you upgrade the host, the very binaries you are =20
>> installing are being installed by ... the binaries you are =20
>> installing. Which is why you'll want them to be reasonably in-sync =20=

>> with the kernel.
>>
>> When upgrading jails using freebsd-update, my understanding is that =20=

>> it uses the host binaries to  push files to the target directory =20
>> (basedir). The risk of trouble is therefore very low (I've upgraded =20=

>> dozens of jails from 7.x to 8.0-RC1 without any issues), though I =20
>> can probably imagine situations where this is not the case - i.e. =20
>> if the upgrade depends on functionality in an upgraded binary in =20
>> order to be able to complete the upgrade, however that sounds like =20=

>> a very unlikely scenario to me. And *any* use of the basedir option =20=

>> to freebsd-update would break in such a case.
>>
>> /Eirik
>>
> Sounds reasonable to me. Thanks for your quick reply.

Reasonable !=3D true. And for that matter, reasonable !=3D reasonable. =20=

YMMV etc. etc. I haven't peeked (much) into the code, so I'm just =20
guessing from my experiences. ;)

People in the know should correct me if I'm wrong..

/Eirik=



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