Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 02:28:04 +0100 From: Dirk Engling <erdgeist@erdgeist.org> To: Fbsd8 <fbsd8@a1poweruser.com> Cc: freebsd-jail@freebsd.org, Ian Smith <smithi@nimnet.asn.au> Subject: Re: Handbook Jail Chapter rewrite available for critique Message-ID: <5150F9A4.4010903@erdgeist.org> In-Reply-To: <514CD742.7030207@a1poweruser.com> References: <1UHfYF-000LVV-4Y@internal.tormail.org> <5148980A.1070408@erdgeist.org> <20130321170556.Q32142@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <514CD742.7030207@a1poweruser.com>
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Dear JoeB, since you just threatened me via private email to expose my evil plans of preventing your ubercool project from taking FreeBSD by storm, I would like to comment on your views and your project publicly On 22.03.13 23:12, Fbsd8 wrote: > On the subject of qjail being a fork of ezjail, of course it is. So, you've decided to run along with an existing code base to fork a project. Congratulations. You surely must have had reasons, like including features that the original author told you never to implement. Like you found the project abandoned and no one replied to your requests. Well, except you did not. I found out about your fork by chance, after someone directed my attention to your constant bragging and nagging. Why, after all, would you ever feel the need to talk to me directly about the fork? After all, what common interests might we possibly share? So I think the only reason to rip off ezjails code was to boost your ego with some impressive looking column of shell script you obviously had trouble understanding, which comes as no surprise as you _still_ seem to have trouble grasping even the basic concepts of shell scripting: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2013-January/248558.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2013-January/247723.html Reading this I find it very disturbing that you try to lure users into using your bumbling hack that pokes in one of the core security features of FreeBSD. To put it more plainly: What you do is dangerous. Stop doing it. You're putting your users at risk. > British member concluded that the author of ezjail must be British based > solely on the spelling of the flavour directory. He also convinced us > that his Beerware license was British humor, a joke, and should not be > taken serous. In our review of other jail ports we did not see this Then tell your "British member" to read up on some contemporary literature, maybe Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beerware so he has a chance to understand what connects Beerware and FreeBSD. Do not use your confused team member as pretext to violate the terms of license you obviously found by yourself and chose to ignore. > file. It was inserted in the front like they have. We though that was > how you make software opensource which was the intention. There are no > formal copyright documents; it's just a extrapolation from the FreeBSD > comments. Besides completely failing to see the point what the difference between open source and public domain is, you do not have the slightest idea, what a community of people sharing their code as open source is about. The simple fact that you resort to Windows and IIS to serve your web site should have warned me, that you do not actually have any connection to the scene besides your gimme-gimme-gimme attitude. To make my point clear: Open source software is about attribution. For multiple reasons, most important to me: getting to socialize. Beerware is not so much about getting the actual beer, but to have a chance to sit together and talk with people sharing common interests. Now you rob me of the chance to ever hear from people using my code disguised as yours. Another reason, of course, is the pride we take in spending nearly ten years on ezjail and we definitely do not like some script kiddie running around adorn himself with plumes plucked from our asses. > section is not appropriate to include qjail under Freebsd opensource > type of license, then we can change the comments to say "totally free to > do as you wish as opensource" and leave it at that. If something else is > needed, please inform what that is by private email. To continue this > this subject in public is not appropriate. Please respect our wish in > this matter. No, I will not respect your wishes, as you chose to ignore mine. You are not totally free to do as you wish with the ezjail authors' code and you can not grant that rights to someone else. Regarding your fork: I can not and I will not prevent forks from happening. So I wish you good luck with it. Maybe you learn some shell on the way. The qjail port has been marked RESTRICTED by the ports managers and I will withdraw my concerns once you find a proper way to indicate original authorship in a humble way. Regards, erdgeist
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