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Date:      Tue, 17 Sep 2002 01:22:17 +0000 (GMT)
From:      attila! <attila@hun.org>
To:        CURRENT <current@FreeBSD.ORG>
Cc:        Matthew Jacob <mjacob@feral.com>, leimy2k@mac.com
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD 5.0 as a desktop 'failure' report
Message-ID:  <20020917012217.ijdM73487@hun.org>
In-Reply-To: <6C3D95B5-C8AC-11D6-AF56-0003937E39E0@mac.com>
References:  <20020914173520.G91535-100000@mail.allcaps.org>

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  OK, I know this dates me, but I started with 'twm' as a
  window manager in 1983 when X was on V10 --on a prototype
  DEC GTX box with a 20" 24bit color monitor. Didn't have a
  lot of graphics other than what I wrote using Athena
  widgets.

  First, I still use 'twm' with a dual line 16 wide icon bar
  using 40 pixels across the bottom of the screen. I don't
  need pictures, the words are just fine and I don't have
  icons all over the screen. A picture is not worth a
  thousand words.

  Second, I have been continuously tracking -CURRENT since
  before it cut to 3.0-CURRENT --on my desktop. Sure, there
  have been a couple anxious moments, but I only needed the
  fixit disk once in all those years. My server also runs
  -CURRENT.

  Third, I run at least two full X sessions depending on how
  many projects I'm playing with at a time and swap whenever
  on a 1600 x 1280 screen. Lots of Xemacs, Netscape and some
  GIMP and SOffice --the only thing which crashes is
  Netscape and that's almost invariably due to crap code
  from WinSleaze ASP generators.

  Use the KISS principle; if you need it to look like
  Windows, run Windows and put up with their viri and
  crashes. Anything Microsoft has been banned here since
  before there even was a Microsoft product.

  Hard-nosed? Not really, just committed. My five kids
  learned on BSD.

  Even government "retrainables" can be converted if KISS is
  followed (been there, done that).

  --
  I don't need your attitude.  I have one of my own.

---------- Original Message ----------
Sent: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 08:09:52 -0500 by leimy2k@mac.com

+ On Saturday, September 14, 2002, at 07:40 PM, Andrew P. Lentvorski
+ wrote:
+
+ > On Sat, 14 Sep 2002, Matthew Jacob wrote:
+ >
+ >> But we need a window manager- let's build gnome2! That worked- but,
+ >> haha, gnome2 refused to run because it failed to be able to do NFS
+ >> locking on my NFS mounted (on a Solaris 8 server) home directory. Oh,
+ >> well that's really not going to cut it now, is it.... Oh, well, let's
+ >> live with plain sawfish until we sort this one out...
+ >
+ > Please report this to the Gnome folks.  Given the state of NFS
+ > filelocking
+ > on *any* open source system (they are all broken in various ways-this
+ > includes Linux and *BSD), requiring fully working NFS file locking on a
+ > widespread windowing system is not a good idea.
+ >
+
+ Yes,  the only successful NFS file locking I have ever seen on linux is
+ on NFS v3
+ and it must be mounted with the "noac" [no attribute caching] option.
+
+ I am sure that option degrades performance pretty badly.
+
+ Give it a shot... see if it works
+
+
+ > In addition, I would bet that they'll probably point you to some
+ > command-line flag which disables that file locking.
+ >
+ > -a


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