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Date:      Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:38:02 -0500
From:      jacks@sage-american.com
To:        sabine225@home.com, questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: CVSup is overkill for me
Message-ID:  <3.0.5.32.20011013103802.0192b7b0@mail.sage-american.com>
In-Reply-To: <726E8392-BFE0-11D5-9C64-0050E4050F42@home.com>
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....actually, it's a matter of reader/research and mental perception I
suppose. I found that cvsup worked "right out of the box" for me, but I
struggle big time with scripts/programs like you describe. I understood the
cvsup, plus I found the samples in the DOCs plus the "cheat sheets" website
prepared me well for the cvsuping procedure which worked flawlessly.
Admittedly, I looked very closely and followed threads here before my
"first time" which was found to be very "gentle" with me. Also, I found
that carefully following every single step for the "world"
make/build/mergmastering stuff is an absolute need.... hmmm, can't wait for
my next cvsupping fix.... think I'll do another one now just to feel good....

At 06:44 AM 10.13.2001 -0700, sabine225@home.com wrote:
>
>On Saturday, October 13, 2001, at 12:47 AM, Salvo Bartolotta wrote:
>
>> Sabine,
>
>Thanks for all the comforting words. My name is Sam, my wife's mail 
>account (sabine225@home.com) is the only one I have that the reverse 
>lookup works correctly (required by the freeBSD mailserver).
>
>> When I used Unix for the first time, I met with a number of similar
>> difficulties (of the kind: "Ah! That's overwhelming!").
>
>I've been using Linux/freeBSD for 3 years. I can format drives on remote 
>machines, write perl scripts that traverse infinitely deep directories 
>changing html code on files needing the specified changes from a web 
>interface, write shell scripts that synchronize servers across the net, 
>etc. blah...blah. It's just the documentation for cvsup, heck all UNIX 
>stuff, is always written by the wrong guy, the guy who's so close to the 
>project he can no longer think of what it looks like to someone just 
>getting started. That's OK, it's free and with the excellent support 
>form this list I couldn't be happier.  I just get a little crazy 
>sometimes. I'm sure you've done it too, the documentation seems like a 
>circle of lies at times.
>
>> If one wants to learn a few idiom phrases (Windows), a GUI (as is
>> Windows) is OK.  If one wants to speak a language, ie to have much
>> greater control of what one does, one needs  to be able to *say* what 
>> one
>> is doing.
>
>Windows, as are all Microsoft products, are strictly forbidden in our 
>company. We have all Mac workstations (some now on OS X) and all freeBSD 
>servers. Windows administrative GUI and documentation are purposely 
>poorly written to increase "instances" of paid product support to 
>Microsoft. There are flaws in capitalism. We zealously support UNIX and 
>GNU software as support to the computing community; it's the only way to 
>keep Microsoft from making our lives completely intolerable. I become 
>even crazier when I try to configure a Microsoft product.
>
>> P.S. Unix is way too complicated.  :-))
>
>Not if Steve Jobs gets his way.
>
>Sorry for the wasted bandwidth, I'll be OK in a day or two, actually 
>because of this list and the replies to my post I feel better already.
>
>Thanks again,
>sam
>
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Best regards,
Jack L. Stone,
Server Admin

Sage-American
http://www.sage-american.com
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