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Date:      Mon, 30 Dec 2019 22:45:58 +0000
From:      Carmel NY <carmel_ny@outlook.com>
To:        "freebsd-ports@freebsd.org" <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Re: Re: exFAT is no longer encumbered
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On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 11:59:09 -0800, Russell Haley stated:
>On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 3:41 AM Carmel NY <carmel_ny@outlook.com>
>wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 18:51:41 -0700, Adam Weinberger stated: =20
>> >On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 6:38 PM Kevin P. Neal <kpn@neutralgood.org>
>> >wrote: =20
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 01:01:52AM -0600, Greg Rivers wrote: =20
>> >> > As of last August, Microsoft have relaxed the patent
>> >> > restrictions on exFAT[1].
>> >> >
>> >> > Can the Makefile LICENSE_PERMS_MSPAT restrictions be removed
>> >> > from sysutils/fusefs-exfat? Might exFAT make it into the
>> >> > FreeBSD base system (like msdosfs) one day?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > [1]
>> >> > < =20
>> https://cloudblogs.microsoft.com/opensource/2019/08/28/exfat-linux-kerne=
l/
>> =20
>> > =20
>> >> > =20
>> >>
>> >> I'm not sure that counts as a license. IANAL, but I'd like to see
>> >> an explicit granting of a license to anyone at no cost, and the
>> >> license needs to be transferable.
>> >>
>> >> The way Berkeley eliminated the advertising clause was good.
>> >> Simply saying "Microsoft is supporting the addition of" doesn't
>> >> really say anything. It's a statement of corporate direction and
>> >> nothing else. =20
>> >
>> >Expanding on what Kevin said,
>> > =20
>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/intellectualproperty/mtl/exfat-lic=
ensing.aspx
>> =20
>> >suggests that (a) exFAT is still patented and restricted as before,
>> >and (b) GPLv2 licensing was granted only for the Linux kernel module
>> >that they submitted.
>> >
>> >The BSD License grants the ability to use BSD-licensed code in
>> >commercial products, so I'm not sure that Microsoft would want to
>> >relax their licensing for us. As Kevin said, IANAL.
>> >
>> ># Adam =20
>>
>> I imagine that someone could actually inquire. It would cost nothing
>> and end this FUD that is surrounding this subject.
>>
>>         http://aka.ms/celaiplicensing
>> =20
>On my phone the site displays a "Contoso, Ltd." title (That's
>Microsoft's pretend company for all it's examples). The IP Address
>resolves to a seemingly non-Microsoft server:
>waws-prod-bay-059.cloudapp.net [23.99.91.55]. To boot, there is no
>corporate branding or other links back to the Microsoft site. Forgive
>me, but it seems like a terrible idea to submit information to that
>site.

That link leads to:
https://celaiplicensing.microsoftcrmportals.com/IPlicensing/

<microsoftcrmportals.com> is owned by Microsoft. I am not sure what
your specific complaint is.

--=20
Carmel


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