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Date:      Wed, 3 May 2000 11:03:28 +0930
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        Marius Vincent <mvincent@elcb.co.za>
Cc:        webmaster@wmptl.com, freeBSD-Questions <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: vinum
Message-ID:  <20000503110328.F1654@freebie.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <NEBBJNFFELDAHIBIGIAMOEMBCBAA.mvincent@elcb.co.za>
References:  <390EDC99.A77180C7@wmptl.com> <NEBBJNFFELDAHIBIGIAMOEMBCBAA.mvincent@elcb.co.za>

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On Tuesday,  2 May 2000 at 16:08:31 +0200, Marius Vincent wrote:
> Nathan Vidican wrote:
>> Marius Vincent wrote:
>>> Has anyone used vinum before??
>>> Please let me know where I can find more help about starting off with
>>> vinum.
>>> I want to purchase an identical IDE secondary drive to my primary
>>> sothat I can mirror the two of them.
>>> Any way I must startoff with vinum??
>>
>> I'm trying to do much the same as you are. We're attempting to setup
>> FreeBSD boxes with mirrored drives for speed/redundancy, yet we do not
>> want to pay for a hardware raid. Vinum/CCD is what you're looking for,
>> try a  'man ccd', and a 'man ccdconfig' they'll tell you how to
>> accomplish the task.

They tell you how to use ccd.  They don't tell you how to use vinum.
Do a "man -a vinum" for that.

>> Please note though, that you cannot mirror / (the root), nor can
>> you mirror a partition that you would boot from. I reccomend
>> getting a smaller (500megs or so) hardisk and putting the identical
>> drives to be mirrored into primary/slave, and secondary/master.
>
> Well actually you can software mirror a complete phisical disk,
> INCLUDING "/".  The mirroring sofware writes in raw format.It
> reproduces block for block on drives.

Well, maybe you'd like to explain how to do it.  In particular, how
are you going to get the bootstrap to recognize it?

> ONLY RAID5 and so on cannot be software mirrored,because you have to
> bring up your operating software first and then bringup your
> software raid package.This will in turn activate the raid devices.If
> you run hardware raid like Clarion. The operating system thinks you
> only have 1 phisical disk and has absolutely nothing to do with raid
> at all.

Precisely.  What's the name of the boot partition?

> The point being that you can indeed sofware raid a complete phisical
> disk.(Even microcrap can do this with standard NT4.0).
>
> Thanx for the help.I must not f*ck around on my mailbox with this.
> Tell me how safe is this program to use if you have no idea what you
> are doing?

You can shoot yourself in the foot with either ccd or Vinum.  ccd will
also crash if you lose a drive, while Vinum will carry on running.
Vinum offers a lot more functionality than ccd.

Greg
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