Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 16:19:36 -0800 From: "Chris H" <bsd-lists@BSDforge.com> To: "Farhan Khan" <khanzf@gmail.com> Cc: <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: The future of fortune(6) Message-ID: <fe62980cafb2506078b97a35a1c8384d@udns.ultimatedns.net> In-Reply-To: <effdcf76-fffe-1d29-7167-c734c92b741c@gmail.com>
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 18:34:24 -0500 "Farhan Khan" <khanzf@gmail=2Ecom> said > On 11/28/2017 05:11 PM, freebsd@johnea=2Enet wrote: > > On 2017-11-26 21:46, Cy Schubert wrote: > >> In message <307f8e8d0ad15d2d00e74a9b602c8c19@udns=2Eultimatedns=2Enet>, "C= hris > > H" writes: > >>> On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 09:11:43 -0800 "Cy Schubert" <Cy=2ESchubert@komquat= s=2Ecom> > > said > >>>> In message <20171126163259=2E6fb55366@gumby=2Ehomeunix=2Ecom>, RW via > > freebsd-hackers writes: > >>>>> On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 07:59:52 -0800 Cy Schubert wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Lastly=2E I'm not totally against games=2E My 4 and 5 year old grandki= ds > >>>>>> play games on game tablets=2E However I would never let my grandkids > >>>>>> even see what fortune spits out=2E Much of it was offensive=2E I would > >>>>>> have been ashamed had they seen some of the outputs=2E > >=20 > > This statement is factually incorrect=2E > >=20 > > It just is not the case=2E > >=20 > > I've received fortune in email every morning for about 14 years=2E That's= well > > over 5000 fortunes=2E I've never seen even vaguely offensive content=2E > >=20 > > The default settings do not deliver patently offensive content, period=2E > >=20 > >>>>> > >>>>> You have to try quite hard to find them, they aren't given by defau= lt, > >>>>> and: > >>>>> > >>>>> $ fortune -o > >>>>> No fortunes found > >>>>> in /usr/share/games/fortune:/usr/local/share/games/fortune=2E > >>>> > > =2E=2E=2E > >>>> It's 2017=2E If Red Hat doesn't support fortune why should we? > >>> OK this is the 2nd time you've said that, and I'm afraid I'm going to= have > > to > >>> respond=2E :) > >>> FreeBSD is *not* Red Hat, nor any other "flavor" of Linux=2E Who cares = if > > some > >>> other flavor of OS does, or does not "do it"=2E > >>> Sorry=2E I *greatly* appreciate that FreeBSD is /different/ than all th= e > > Linux > >>> flavors, and would dearly hate that it felt that it should feel/be "L= inux > > lik > >>> e"=2E > >>> Over sensitive? Perhaps=2E But I simply couldn't resist=2E > >>> > >>> I'm done now=2E :) > >> > >> Of course FreeBSD isn't a Linux distro however RH has probably learned= that > >> contentious issues like this aren't worth the risk and exposure and th= e > >> cost of supporting such software=2E FreeBSD is a volunteer effort=2E > >> Unnecessary software still exacts a cost even in an environment like o= urs=2E > >> > >=20 > > I have to agree with the negative reaction to the Red Hat comparison=2E > >=20 > > Saying that FreeBSD obviously isn't linux doesn't address the concern o= ver > > this comparison=2E > >=20 > > If you think fortune is a flame war lightning rod, maybe you haven't he= ard of > > systemd? > >=20 > > systemd is a Red Hat product=2E > >=20 > > There are many different reasons for the controversy over systemd=2E One = of > > them is that it removes the individuality of adopting distributions, ma= king > > them more uniform=2E The corporation in charge of that uniformity being R= ed Hat=2E > >=20 > > People don't like the elimination of fortune for the same reason they d= idn't > > like the politically-correct-ification of beastie: It makes the OS seem= less > > like something made by individuals for individuals, and more like a pol= ished, > > "risk and exposure" averse, corporate product=2E In a word, dehumanized=2E > >=20 > > johnea Respectfully re-flowing your *disrespectful* Top Post > (I write this with a respectful tone in my voice=2E) >=20 > With respect, FreeBSD is an operating system, not a person to be=20 > dehumanized=2E If you so strongly desire to run fortune, do a quick `pkg=20 > install fortune`=2E You can continue to utilize this feature as you=20 > please=2E Problem solved=2E No one is censoring anyone's speech, just=20 > install it from the packages=2E It will likely take literally 2 seconds=2E >=20 > Being relatively new to FreeBSD on my servers, I always found fortune by= =20 > default as unbecoming of an enterprise-class operating system=2E It would= =20 > be like having lolcats or cowsay on by default=2E >=20 > You can continue to have the morning email with a fortune quote, you=20 > will not lose that functionality=2E Everyone wins=2E >=20 END re-flow What I think many responding to this thread may not understand; is that for some (many?) of us, the source referred to, we have been cobbling on, and using for 30+ years=2E In fact fortune(6) (as Shawn noted earlier) *predates* FreeBSD; or more accurately; the BSD=2E Point being; fortune(6) (as well as it's growing data set) is a part of it's heritage=2E Call it sentimental if you like=2E But there's not a hell-of-a-lot of that heritage left=2E fortune' data set, for the most part, is quite harmless, and often, fairly witty=2E You must directly request the portion that (apparently) some might find offensive=2E But in reality, it's really only references to part of global history=2E I experienced far worse than this in my history classes in grade && high school=2E That being WWII films that graphically depicted the atrocities imposed/inflicted on so many the victims=2E Should we eliminate world history classes, because some students might not like what they hear, and see? Hell, why not eliminate school entirely then? The point I'd like to make here; is that fortune(6), and it's accompanying data sets are *not* harmful=2E They are one of the *few* bits left of the *original* BSD, and should be allowed to stay as-is, for posterity=2E Even tho many of the new-comers don't completely understand=2E Thank you for listening=2E --Chris
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