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Date:      Tue, 17 Jun 2025 06:18:13 -0400
From:      Karl Denninger <karl@denninger.net>
To:        freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: An idea for the EFI (LUA) loader....
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    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 6/17/2025 02:47, Xin Li wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite"
      cite=3D"mid:9c7f2953-2fb3-4c36-977c-41aa7fd55c5c@delphij.net">On
      2025-06-16 18:05, Karl Denninger wrote:
      <br>
      <blockquote type=3D"cite">The problem is that it wants something
        like "rootdev=3Ddisk0s1a" -- a full specification.
        <br>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      If ZFS is an option, you can say something like:
      <br>
      <br>
      rootdev=3Dzfs:mydevice-boot/ROOT/default:
      <br>
      currdev=3Dzfs:mydevice-boot/ROOT/default:
      <br>
      <br>
      in EFI's FreeBSD/loader.env; ZFS have much better way to find out
      the right device and does not rely on probe order.
      <br>
      <br>
    </blockquote>
    <p>But it isn't.</p>
    <p>This is an "sort-of-embedded" environment.=C2=A0 The goal is "one
      media that boots them all, provided we have the drivers for your
      network card and its an AMD compatible CPU."</p>
    <p>Thus it has to boot in something like a pcEngines apu2 (which has
      no idea what EFI is, and won't boot a GPT USB stick either) and
      also be able to be stuck into something like a GMKTek "cube PC"
      which has no CSM mode (EFI boot only.)=C2=A0 I'll live with the
      constraint that any other media in or connected to it (e.g. on a
      USB interface, etc) either can't be bootable OR you have set the
      boot order in the BIOS so the stick that's plugged in is the first
      to be considered.</p>
    <p>I build these using "nanobsd" so they're power-fail safe and the
      capability to pull the stick in the event of a hardware failure,
      shove it into something else and with a de-minimus set of edits
      (e.g. "what are the ethernet interfaces called") if different
      (e.g. igb .vs. ix) it will come up and run.</p>
    <p>Think edge gateway/firewall appliance.</p>
    <p>I tend to stick these images out where anyone can grab and use
      them with a decent set of software included (e.g. Strongswan,
      etc.); I used to build them for the pcEngines internal sd card
      slot which came up as "mmcsd0" but those guys are gone, they're
      not fast enough to saturate a full gigabit connection anyway and,
      as it turns out, basically everything today when it boots FreeBSD
      identifies a USB stick as a "da" device, so if its the only
      storage device on USB it will come up as "da0" which works nicely
      (and quite consistently) once the kernel is loaded.=C2=A0 The goal =
is
      "one image that will boot and run on most, from old and crusty to
      new and shiny."<br>
    </p>
    <p>The key element that drives the request is that nanobsd allows
      online updating -- that is, there are two system partitions and
      you can update the one that isn't running with a "dd" and then
      reboot to activate it.=C2=A0 I resolved the issue of losing the dat=
a
      partition in the nanobsd build if you have EFI as an option but
      that leaves me with this which I've not been successful sorting
      out reliably with the tools available.<br>
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    <div class=3D"moz-signature">-- <br>
      Karl Denninger<br>
      <a href=3D"mailto:karl@denninger.net" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetex=
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