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Date:      Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:22:55 -0500
From:      "Andrew C. Hornback" <achornback@worldnet.att.net>
To:        "FreeBSD Questions" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   RE: Re[2]: Tiny starter configuration for FreeBSD
Message-ID:  <00e601c16302$3a03da60$6600000a@columbia>
In-Reply-To: <00b601c162d2$107df930$0a00000a@atkielski.com>

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Anthony
> Atkielski
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 7:38 AM
> To: FreeBSD Questions
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Tiny starter configuration for FreeBSD
>
>
> > X is certainly required for Netscape and based
> > on the recent bitching on this list about it I
> > think that quite a lot of FreeBSD users must
> > be running it.
>
> Netscape or X, you mean?
>
> I tried Frontier Technologies' SuperX server on my Windows box.
> It works well,
> I guess, but I haven't found much use for it, as the only
> applications I've seen
> to try with it are xterm, xeyes, and xclock (and xterm looks just like my
> SecureCRT SSH session, only worse).  It certainly doesn't seem to
> be worth the
> $250 or so that they want for the package.

	Now those are three majorly useful application you've tried right there...

> I also tried MicroImages' very inexpensive X Server, but it
> faults as soon as I
> try to open any kind of session in the X desktop, so that's out.

	Imagine that, a program for Windows faulting when you try it... must be
that terrible "Unix" machine you're trying to connect it to.

> At the moment, I'm not sure that I see the value to having an X
> Server at all.
> What are people running under X that makes it so much more useful
> than a plain
> tty interface?

	Hmm... maybe the same reasons that you get a GUI with Windows?  Naw, that
couldn't be it.

> > yes, Sun has not only paid whatever fee that
> > TOG is demanding, they have also met TOG's
> > requirements for branding.  (last I checked one
> > of the requirements was for licensed Java to be
> > in the UNIX system, thus as you see TOG has
> > requirements for UNIX branding that cannot be
> > met by any open source UNIX)
>
> I looked at their site, and it has that desperate, highly
> legalistic look of an
> organization that is trying very hard to justify its existence
> (and fees).  The
> UNIX (tm) 95 and UNIX (tm) 98 specifications, in particular,
> remind me strongly
> of another large organization that likes to come out with new
> stuff every few
> months in order to generate revenue.

	Aren't those the same folks that like to use two letters to designate new
versions now?

> It might a losing battle, though, as I tend to think of UNIX as a
> generic term,
> and I doubt that I'm alone in this.  Does anyone remember when
> Aspirin was a
> defensible registered trademark of Bayer, or Xerox a registered
> trademark of the
> corporation of the same name?

	You're rehashing a conversation we had last month.  It's not required to go
back over something so off-topic.

--- Andy


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