Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 18:09:48 -0500 From: "Isaac (.ike) Levy" <ike@blackskyresearch.net> To: Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com> Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: removing CVS in Handbook Updating and Upgrading chapter Message-ID: <1359241802-3572135.75152325.fr0QN9mrI032137@rs149.luxsci.com> In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1301251154450.5025@wonkity.com> References: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1301241510470.86451@wonkity.com> <alpine.GSO.1.10.1301251321400.9389@multics.mit.edu> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1301251154450.5025@wonkity.com>
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On Jan 25, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Warren Block wrote: >>> CVS is going away soon, and we should not be advising people to = start using them now. >>> This diff entirely removes cvsup, csup, and CVS references from the = Updating and Upgrading chapter. SVN URLs are also changed to the = preferred form and links to the SVN mirrors are added. >>> Rendered: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/temp/cuttingedge-nocvs.html >>> Diff: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/temp/cuttingedge-nocvs.diff Regarding src, this appears to be jumping the gun quite a bit, with = possibly bad consequences: + ports, cvsup access end-of-lifed Feb 28 (cool! drop cvs/cvsup references for it) - source, cvsup deprecated - no end-of-life date set (until canonical replacement is in place) Instead of replacing *all* CVS urls with SVN, I would like to advise you = to merely make note of cvsup being deprecated for src? Not sure if I need to explain this, but: For a large number of system integrators, building userland/kernel from = source is critical. Most of these builds happen before ports/pkg get installed, (if they = even do). The current state of SVN, binary packages, ports mechanism = changes, and otherwise- all make for some nasty chicken/egg problems for = many systems integrators. There are several simplifying projects in play, (there was a = lively/lengthy thread on freebsd-stable@ this week, and some action over = in ports to immeadiately simplify some notable SVN dependency messes...) = http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2013-January/071798.html= This sort of dependency-free simplicity, is what drives a huge number of = FreeBSD installs. -- With that, until cvsup actually has an end-of-life date, cvsup/csup can = not be removed completely from docs, whenever it refers to src. Thoughts? Best, .ike
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