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Date:      Wed, 4 Jun 2008 22:19:03 -0700
From:      Jo Rhett <jrhett@netconsonance.com>
To:        Edwin Groothuis <edwin@mavetju.org>
Cc:        FreeBSD Stable <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org>, Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org>, Steven Hartland <killing@multiplay.co.uk>
Subject:   Re: challenge: end of life for 6.2 is premature with buggy 6.3
Message-ID:  <13A3FC54-B459-48C5-85CD-14CC38913838@netconsonance.com>
In-Reply-To: <20080605003545.GP89632@k7.mavetju>
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On Jun 4, 2008, at 5:35 PM, Edwin Groothuis wrote:
> Use the eat-your-own-food approach (while not knowing what the 500
> systems do): Make sure you use the same hardware and software as
> what is in production. Upgrade it first, run it for two weeks. If
> it doesn't, fallback and see where it went wrong. If it all works
> fine after two weeks, roll it out.


Edwin, I've been building testbed environments for over 20 years in my  
professional career.  I know a lot more than this basic concept.

The costs in our environment for a proper testbed is $20k in hardware  
and 3000 man hours.  That's for a small test of comparable small  
changes to the existing environment.

Why would we take on this cost only to re-document well known and  
already acknowledged bugs?  I mean, really?

Not trying to be sarcastic, but do you purchase cars to test them out  
and see if you can get better gas mileage than the EPA observes?   
Neither do I ;-)

(yes, their testing methodology is flawed but it's a decent enough  
benchmark to know if you want the vehicle or not)

-- 
Jo Rhett
Net Consonance : consonant endings by net philanthropy, open source  
and other randomness





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