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Date:      Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:40:58 -0500 (EST)
From:      Andrew Gallatin <gallatin@cs.duke.edu>
To:        Marco Beishuizen <marco@beishuizen.info>
Cc:        FreeBSD alpha mailing list <alpha@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Why is XFree86 on FreeBSD/Alpha much slower?
Message-ID:  <15945.24538.794799.926276@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.53.0302112129370.294@tsunami.bsd>
References:  <Pine.BSF.4.53.0302112042190.294@tsunami.bsd> <15945.23721.759825.313603@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <Pine.BSF.4.53.0302112129370.294@tsunami.bsd>

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Marco Beishuizen writes:
 > On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, the wise Andrew Gallatin spoke, and said:
 > 
 > >
 > > Marco Beishuizen writes:
 > >  >
 > >  > Hi,
 > >  >
 > >  > I have two machines, one Intel (450mhz) and one Alpha (600mhz). Both are
 > >  > running FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE and WindowMaker as windowmanager. The Intel
 > >  > has a Matrox G400max and the Alpha has a Matrox G450.
 > >
 > > What kind of alpha?  What sort of slot is graphics board in on the
 > > alpha?  On the pc?
 > >
 > > Drew
 > 
 > The alpha is a PWS600au, it has a 21164 cpu. The Matrox sits in one 32
 > bits PCI slot. The Intel is a PIII/450, and the G400 sits in the AGP slot.
 > 

OK, so the AGP slot probably has at least 500MB/sec DMA.

But: All 32-bit slots on your alpha sit behind a pci-pci bridge chip,
connecting to a main bus whose DMA characteristics are similar to:

DMA rate for 8192 Byte pages (32bit / 33MHz bus)
Timing 32 pages.
        bus_read  (send) = 73 MBytes/s
        bus_write (recv) = 129 MBytes/s


The PCI-PCI bridge slows this down even further.  You might try
setting the magic SRM console variable to allow putting the card 
into the 64-bit slot (see the alpha hardware notes that Wilo
maintains).   But it will still suck moderatly.

FWIW, the AGP Permedia board in my UP1000 doesn't suck.

Drew



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