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Date:      Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:13:04 -0600
From:      "Justin T. Gibbs" <gibbs@plutotech.com>
To:        Karl Denninger <karl@Denninger.Net>
Cc:        "Justin T. Gibbs" <gibbs@plutotech.com>, scsi@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Long IDE probes? 
Message-ID:  <199809301819.MAA14837@pluto.plutotech.com>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:58:58 CDT." <19980930125858.B4304@Denninger.Net> 

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>The default was recently increased (read: made longer) - like doubled.

The delay in the generic kernel has always been 15 seconds.  The default
with no delay specified has always been 2 seconds.  CAM effectively reduces
this delay over the old SCSI code as all bus delays during the initial
prove phase occur in parallel.

>I *KNOW* that things like Exabytes "go away" for short periods of time 
>after a bus reset.  But we're talking about *defaults* here, and modern
>disks and tape drives, while they may kvetch internally for a while before
>they'll generally be useful, but virtually all will respond to an inquiry
>within 3-5 seconds - maximum.

Not everyone who uses FreeBSD has "modern devices".  Not everyone
who uses FreeBSD knows that their devices will only work with a longish
delay.  Are you saying that we should lose the ability to install on
these machines simply because you, a user that knows how to modify this
behavior, finds the default behavior annoying?

--
Justin



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