Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:50:25 +1030 From: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>, Kevin Van Maren <vanmaren@fast.cs.utah.edu> Cc: committers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Swat teams (was: problem reports) Message-ID: <19981210115025.E12688@freebie.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <27592.913250221@zippy.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Wed, Dec 09, 1998 at 04:37:01PM -0800 References: <199812091732.KAA19218@fast.cs.utah.edu> <27592.913250221@zippy.cdrom.com>
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On Wednesday, 9 December 1998 at 16:37:01 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
>> ["whine liberally" on]
>> It is just a little frustrating spending time finding and fixing
>> problems, just to send a PR that sits around...
>
> Well, I forgot to make my last usual threat. When someone has
> submitted a lot of PRs and they're getting stuck in the system, our
> first recourse is generally to sit on that person's chest and demand
> that they join committers.
>
> Consider your chest sat on. How are your CVS skills? Join us!
> Resistance is futile! :-)
Consider this a reply to a number of issues brought up here. A number
of observations:
1. I would doubtless have answered many PRs instead of doing the work
I should be, *if* I knew how to do it. Where's the FM?
2. Asking people to join -committers may be the wrong way round.
Find somebody who wants do join, and say ``OK, first your
apprenticeship: 1000 bug reports well answered'' :-)
3. Somebody (probably you) needs to keep an eye on the bugs and see
that the important ones are recognized as important, and that they
get fixed. At the moment, any fool can put in a ``system down,
won't come up, user screaming for blood'' category PR which boils
down to the fact that he's tried to run Linux Netscrape without
installing Linux emulation. Others may think little of that the
fact that NFS is so unreliable that you can't do a ``make world''
on an NFS mounted file system. Clearly there needs to be a
reality check, probably early on.
4. One way to at least raise the awareness of the problem is to have
a bugfixers mailing list, one of whose members is cvs-all. Sure,
you can't get people to do anything just because they're on a
list, and you can't get anybody else to join up, but it helps
people identify.
I'm prepared to pull my weight on this one, including writing up any
necessary documentation, but somewhere the Core Team needs to be
involved.
Greg
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