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Date:      Sat, 9 Jan 1999 20:27:06 +1100
From:      jonathan michaels <jon@caamora.com.au>
To:        freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   amaya & toth & a small x whinge (was: find/search a string in Netscape)
Message-ID:  <19990109202706.J5652@caamora.com.au>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9901082242430.24360-100000@guru.phone.net>; from Mike Meyer on Fri, Jan 08, 1999 at 10:46:02PM -0800
References:  <19990109174156.E5652@caamora.com.au> <Pine.BSF.4.05.9901082242430.24360-100000@guru.phone.net>

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On Fri, Jan 08, 1999 at 10:46:02PM -0800, Mike Meyer wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Jan 1999, jonathan michaels wrote:
> 
> > Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:41:56 +1100
> > From: jonathan michaels <jon@caamora.com.au>
> > To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> > Subject: Re: find/search a string in Netscape
> > 
> > On Fri, Jan 08, 1999 at 10:19:58PM -0800, Mike Meyer wrote:
> > 
> > > I've worked with Arena, and used it as my default GUI browser in the
> > > past (it has *by far* the most readable presentation I've seen in a
> > > web browser), but development stopped.
> > 
> > yes, and ...
> > 
> > not stoped, devolved to that yggdrssil crowd for continuation on linux specific 
> > platforms. a shame realy i was getting to like, inspite of its 'unrelible' 
> > nature on my x windowing system (its a local problem that need more brain that 
> > i can muster to solve).
> 
> Ah, I missed that. How about running it on FreeBSD as a Linux binary?

i did think about that .. but, the root cause of my systems unreliability is 
running xfree itself, i get allsorts of core dumps from all sorts of programs, 
from ee upto teh big daddy netscape, thier is no rhyme or reason. it all 
started soon after v2.1.7 and i cannot pin it down.

i was happily runing freebsd and xfree on a i486dx33 with 16 mb then i 
upgraded to v2.1.7 AND this problem started, a freind suggested it was time 
to update. i went to a p5-133 and 64 mb dram and pci buslogic 958, smc digital
chip set nic, and a stb trio 64v+ graphcis card .. the same problem manifested,
so i thought i'd give it one last try.

another freind had some spare time and cash, and built me a supermicro p6sne 
with real intel p6-180 and smc 10-100 mb nic, 128 mb of ecc full parity dram
a matrox millenium II with about 16 mb and a aha2940 uw scsi card .. i added
a ibm 5400 rpm 4.3 gb hd .. generious arn't i .. grin.

and still i have this probllem .. go back to freebsd v2.1.5 and no problems, 
everything works a treat .. x wise that is. freebsd works a treat on all this 
grunt hardware .. just i cannot get xfree to stabalise and i don't where to 
start. its bloody annoying.

sorry peoples, i just see all the frustration and all teh people tellin me how 
to suck eggs on this one, and still no brass ring.

> > > I took a brief look a building Amaya on NetBSD, then got
> > 
> > how did it compare with arena, look and feel isues,tools availability ?
> 
> Never got it working. The distraction was the FreeBSD box :-). The
> NetBSD box is still there, but slated to be replaced by a FreeBSD one.

i can relate to that, i'd been a netbsd user today, hand'nt it been for teh 
openbsd splinter and the ensuing war.

> > i'm trying establish if its worth the effort, so to speak.
> > 
> > > distracted. It's on the list of things to look at for FreeBSD, but
> > > there are a lot of other things to do as well. Do you have a working
> > 
> > not yet, i've just had a techo problem explained to me. i used to thing all 
> > elf need to run on an elf based system. it appears that most linux apps are 
> > elf based and will run in teh freebsd linux emulator. with this in mind i will 
> > downlaod teh files, since my last look thye now have linux binaries .. what 
> > can i loose .. my p6 and my hard disk .. grin.
> > 
> > > version of Amaya for FreeBSD? Love to see it in /usr/ports!
> > 
> > me too, the toth editor looks really promicing, especiallly when incorporated 
> > into amaya. sadly i won't be the porter, i have enough problems with csh 
> > scripts and as such c code mangling is beyound me.
> > 
> > regards and thx
> 
> Well, please report back how these things go! Arena under modern

yup, no worries.

> development would be welcome. And even if it works, I'd certainly be
> interested in Amaya/Thoth. Proably won't replace psgml for creating

me too, and this psgml .. que, psgml

> documents, but using it for doing style sheets and quick fixes could
> certainly be great.

i have no real need to 'do html' for a living so to speak, but i am looking 
for an editor that will allow this sort of functionality .. i looked at 
docbook and nearly turned in my grave .. i left all that behind after my stint 
with wordstar v3.3.something.

regards

jonathan

ps i'll keep you posted and anybody else if there interested, regarding amaya. 
but, please it will not be tomorrow .. as the saying goes.

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Jonathan Michaels
PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia
===========================================================<jon@caamora.com.au>


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