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Date:      Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:57:26 -0500 (CDT)
From:      Kevin Day <toasty@home.dragondata.com>
To:        dillon@apollo.backplane.com (Matthew Dillon)
Cc:        hasty@rah.star-gate.com, dv@dv.ru, green@unixhelp.org, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: DoS from local users (fwd)
Message-ID:  <199904102057.PAA27724@home.dragondata.com>
In-Reply-To: <199904102037.NAA01262@apollo.backplane.com> from Matthew Dillon at "Apr 10, 1999  1:37: 6 pm"

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> 
> :
> :It should be possible to prevent a user from hogging a system if the system's
> :naive scheduler is improved.
> :
> :	Amancio
> 
>     No, it isn't.  For a very simple reason:  The resources users need to do
>     real work are very similar to the resources users need to hog the system.
> 
>     Saying that the system should somehow be able to magically make the 
>     distinction between the two is a pipedream.  It takes a human to make
>     the distinction.
> 
>     Short of restricting the resources you give to users to the point where
>     they can't even start a mail or news client, there is just no way to
>     prevent said users from loading down the machine if they choose to.
>     
> 						-Matt
> 
> 

On the shell servers I run, we've got 200-300 users running tasks.
Occasionally, through intent or misconfiguration, a user either forkbombs,
or gets a large number of processes running sucking lots of cpu.

I'd like to see an option that makes all the processes run by one uid have
the same weight as one process another uid is running.

i.e. uid 1001 starts 40 processes eating as much cpu as they can. Then uid
1002 starts up one process. Uid 1002's process gets 50% cpu, and uid 1001's
40 processes get 50% cpu shared between them. 

This way, one errant user can't have as significant of an impact.

Is this plausable?


Kevin


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