Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 00:59:14 +0200 From: Jeremy Lea <reg@shale.csir.co.za> To: Amancio Hasty <hasty@rah.star-gate.com> Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>, Warner Losh <imp@village.org>, Peter Wemm <peter@netplex.com.au>, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/devel/linux-devel - Imported sources Message-ID: <19990712005914.A61574@shale.csir.co.za> In-Reply-To: <199907100120.SAA05444@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Fri, Jul 09, 1999 at 06:20:46PM -0700 References: <13439.931564878@zippy.cdrom.com> <199907100120.SAA05444@rah.star-gate.com>
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Hi, Throwing my 2c into this, even though I know they aren't worth that much... On Fri, Jul 09, 1999 at 06:20:46PM -0700, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Hmm... > > It may be time to, if not already done, to write up the CVS Bible for > FreeBSD > : > DO's , DON'Ts and HOW-TO to avoid friction between core and the non-core > members. My own feeling on these sorts of comments which have been flying around recently is that it is not a problem with the core team being too conservative (or however people might put it), but that they are not being conservative enough. It is a problem of people being given commit privileges without earning them. I don't want to question anyone's capabilites, but there have been many new committers added who I've never heard of before, and I read way too much FreeBSD mail... Up till a few months ago you really had to earn your stripes, by either submitting stuff to maintainers or through send-pr, and in that process you learnt the CVS tree rules, the Ports tree rules, and how to behave on the mailing lists. Now it seems that you only need to raise your hand. I know it's over used, but while "many hands make light work", "too many cooks spoil the broth". Exhibit 1: Matt was given commit privileges fairly quickly for someone working on the kernel. While his work has brought many benefits (thanks Matt), some questions were raised, and his commit privileges were yanked. Bad feelings all around, plus many complaints that he can't work like this and many jabs at core. If Matt had had to wait another two months for commit privileges, even if it meant another committer had to work a bit harder, then the initial problems would have occurred in the review process, and not as back-outs, and (I believe) Matt would have learnt something from the process. Complaints that his work was being slowed could have been met with suitable quotes from 'Star Wars'... Exhibit 2: This thread. While Marcel might be doing good work on linux emulation, he doesn't have the experience to commit ports... I don't think it's his fault. It's not anyone's fault. But if he had been forced to use send-pr for a month or two, then this thread would not be cluttering everyone's inbox. So to go against the flow, my call is for core to be more conservative in the future. Most of all I wish people would stop taking subtle jabs at core. They've (IMO) done a good job so far, and it's more productive to make real suggestions. Regards, -Jeremy -- | ------------------------------------------------------ --+-- "Maybe tomorrow will be better than today, | or maybe it will not come at all..." - Pam Thum | ------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message
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