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Date:      Sat, 25 Dec 1999 01:21:21 -0800 (PST)
From:      Mike s <god@yahoo.com>
To:        Colin <cwass99@home.com>
Cc:        stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: bugs in the handbook. (FreeBSD Portal)
Message-ID:  <19991225092121.14043.qmail@web505.mail.yahoo.com>

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well yes i agree that the linux Documentation project
is along the lines of what i am talking about, but
again take linux.com for example. IF we had volunteers
who had knowledge of the latest web development
resources/languages such as sPHP we can start a site
that is based mostly on volunteers as is linux.com

Awhile back, there was a discussion on this questions
and this mailing list about not nearly enough newbie
documentation. So i guess we are a lacking in a few
areas.

but, its planting the seed that counts.

again, not to compete at all with freebsd.org a
separate entity entirely.

besides, a lot of people who would commit to -docs
don't have the knowledge or patience to learn the SGML
structure if the site itself.

I'd like to see a site going up utilizing php/mysql
for fast and convenient site development.

I guess i will start by saying that I am willing to
donate a considerable ammount of time to working on
this project.

If anyone else is interested in helping out send me an
email with subject "FreeBSD Portal Volunteer" and once
we reach a sufficient ammount of volunteers. ( say 5
or 6 ) well, we can get things under way.

Of course i am not looking for any financial gain only
contribute to the success of my OS of choice.

forward this email to any web developers or
knowledgable 
FreeBSD Users and lets plant a seed.

happy holidays

mike
god@yahoo.com

--- Colin <cwass99@home.com> wrote:
>      I don't think we don't care about the
> documentation, that strikes me as
> something of an oversimplification.  There are 2
> distinct problems here:
> 1)  The peole who know enough about the system to
> document it properly
> generally don't have the time (or
> inclination...gotta love those programmers ;))
> to spend on documentation.  They're too busy fixing
> the problems that turn up
> regularly or adding enhancements (which is where
> most of the problems start ;)).
> 2)  The peole who are most willing to spend time on
> the documentation don't have
> the specific knowledge to do it.  They are the one's
> who would like to be
> reading the docs.
>      Yes, I know it's inappropriate to generalize
> that much, but I think you
> get the idea.  There is, of course, quite a lot of
> good documentation out there
> already, most of it accessible on-line.  There is a
> definite need for ongoing
> improvement and upgrading, but I don't think that
> surprises anyone.
>      There's an interesting article at
>
http://www.firstmonday.org/issues/issue4_12/bezroukov/index.html
> that talks
> about the problems of documentation in the Open
> Software world.  Actually, it
> is just a really good second look at the "Cathedral
> and Bazaar" with a section
> on documentation.  The upshot is that we cannot
> accept the code as sufficient
> documentation for something this complex and there
> is a definite need for a
> complete higher level view.
>      To meet that need there are several really good
> resources including "The
> Design and Implementation of the 4.4BSD Operating
> System", and "The Complete
> FreeBSD".  There are,as well, several really good
> on-line reources, not least
> of which is the FreeBSD HowTo.  I know there are
> more (not including the general
> Unix books) but titles escape me right now.
>      Add the books to the FreeBSD specific web sites
> we already have, and i'm
> not sure the problem is lacking docs, rather
> slightly out of date docs due to an
> ambitious schedule of updates and releases.
>      To start adding additional "Home of the Docs"
> sites would, IMHO, actually
> add to the confusion and difficulties.  We would be
> much better served by
> people submitting pr's (where appropriate ;)) or
> suggestions that could be
> integrated into the existing docs. I'm not convinced
> (having wandered aimlessly
> down that road) the Linux style of documentation
> (1000's of sites, no real
> organization ;)) is the best bet here.
> 
> On 23-Dec-1999 Mike s wrote:
> > Well, as i can see not many people care about the
> > documentation, or at least providing FreeBSD users
> > .......etc.......................
> 


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