Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:10:55 +0000 From: David Murphy <drjolt@redbrick.dcu.ie> To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Voxware is toast. Get used to it. (Re: Suggestions for improving newpcm performance?) Message-ID: <20000321141055.E5367@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> In-Reply-To: <v04220815b4fd1c95611c@[195.238.1.121]>; from blk@skynet.be on Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 01:38:47PM %2B0100 References: <200003191838.KAA40955@rah.star-gate.com> <000701bf91d5$4aebeb60$0304020a@NENYA> <001a01bf91c1$7f62a4b0$0304020a@NENYA> <200003191838.KAA40955@rah.star-gate.com> <20000319220453.A65973@ipass.net> <005d01bf9221$4660ac60$0304020a@NENYA> <20000320153429.A1373@ipass.net> <v04220803b4fcf1e15773@[195.238.1.121]> <20000321121048.E49550@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> <v04220815b4fd1c95611c@[195.238.1.121]>
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Quoting <v04220815b4fd1c95611c@[195.238.1.121]> by Brad Knowles <blk@skynet.be>: > > The problem is, -RELEASE is pushed out like a new release of a > > commercial OS, with big announcements, etc. etc., so people expect it > > to have been subject to a similar level of prerelease beta testing. > The difference is that Microsoft will tell you to switch > everything over ASAP (since it "fixes" all those old bugs you've been > having to live with), and then they'll take in *huge* amounts of > money as you pay to upgrade all your other software, and as they get > more licenses shipped because you have to buy all new hardware to run > all their new bloatware that runs on their new 63,000+ bug-ridden OS. Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of commercial unix OSes, Sun for example, and I use this example because I'm familiar with them, put out an Early Access version of Solaris 8 some months before formally releasing Solaris 8. Effectively, this is the same timescale FreeBSD is going to run on, but the early access version is labelled -RELEASE. > This has been debated before. The problem is that so long as it > is called -BETA, -EARLYACCESS, or whatever, people will stay away > from it in droves, and we'll never run across most of the problems > that remain to be debugged. As opposed to what? People staying away from x.0-RELEASE in droves, because they find out it's a beta, AFTER they've been confused by the naming policy? > I think the folks who bring you FreeBSD are being much more > intelligent about this -- they name it -RELEASE, they encourage you > to take a look at it on non-production hardware, but they > *DISCOURAGE* you from running it on production hardware, because > there haven't been enough people testing it yet. > What is so hard to understand about that? The fact that the above statement does not appear in the release announcement[1], or the release notes[2]. How is a new FreeBSD user supposed to discover the weird and wonderful naming policy in use by the FreeBSD project? [1] http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/4.0R/announce.html [2] http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/4.0R/notes.html -- When asked if it is true that he uses his wheelchair as a weapon he will reply: "That's a malicious rumour. I'll run over anyone who repeats it." Stephen Hawking - [http://www.smh.com.au/news/0001/07/features/features1.html] David Murphy - For PGP public key, send mail with Subject: send-pgp-key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
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