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Date:      Mon, 15 May 2000 13:21:47 +0200
From:      Martin Cracauer <cracauer@cons.org>
To:        "Daniel C. Sobral" <dcs@newsguy.com>
Cc:        Martin Cracauer <cracauer@cons.org>, Bob Bishop <rb@gid.co.uk>, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Motif goes open source
Message-ID:  <20000515132147.B24644@cons.org>
In-Reply-To: <391FDB25.D7FB808F@newsguy.com>; from dcs@newsguy.com on Mon, May 15, 2000 at 08:10:29PM %2B0900
References:  <4.3.1.2.20000515080753.00abfd70@gid.co.uk> <20000515114002.A64473@cons.org> <391FDB25.D7FB808F@newsguy.com>

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In <391FDB25.D7FB808F@newsguy.com>, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: 
> Martin Cracauer wrote:
> > 
> > In <4.3.1.2.20000515080753.00abfd70@gid.co.uk>, Bob Bishop wrote:
> > > "The Open Group, a vendor and technology-neutral consortium dedicated to
> > > enterprise integration, announced today that it is releasing the source
> > > code of Motif, using a public license, to the Open Source community."
> > >
> > > Full details at http://www.opengroup.org/openmotif
> > 
> > The license seems to make it quite useless.
> > http://www.opengroup.org/openmotif/license/
> 
> Huh? The license makes it quite useful, IMHO.

I already corrected this point.
 
> > "Free for use on Operating Systems that are themself Open Source"
> > (note the blank), otherwise with something like a GPL virus, but
> 
> (blank? what blank?)

"OpenSource" (without blank) is the term.  "Open Source" is like 
"Free BSD", suit-wearers language showing the unfamilarness with the
subject. 

> > incompatible with the GPL.  As it is not an essential system library,
> > you may not link GPL programs to it.  As the point about FreeBSD is
> 
> That's because GPL is brain-damaged. It is, essentially, incompatible
> with anything but GPL. Even the BSD license had to have a clause removed
> (and I'm still doubtful if this makes it "compatible" with GPL).

I know.  http://www.cons.org/cracauer/gpl.html

It's an important thing to notice, as no GPL desktop stuff can be
built upon it.

> > that you can make it non-OpenSource at will, no essential system parts
> > of FreeBSD may be linked to it.
> 
> We do have a lot of GPLed code in the system, which cannot be made
> non-OpenSource.

As I said, I had to correct the point, I was mislead by their term
"program" and thought it infected applications using it.

Martin
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