Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 02:10:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Szilveszter Adam <sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: misc/26744: Unable to send mail to FreeBSD.org from home and from work Message-ID: <200104220910.f3M9A2p86919@freefall.freebsd.org>
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The following reply was made to PR misc/26744; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Szilveszter Adam <sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> To: Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm@toybox.placo.com>, freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Cc: Subject: Re: misc/26744: Unable to send mail to FreeBSD.org from home and from work Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:03:10 +0200 Hello, On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 01:30:02AM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > Here's another question for the FAQ: > > HELP! I can't send e-mail from my newly installed FreeBSD system > (AKA I can't send mail to freebsd.org) > > > [Preamble] > Note that this is NOT the RECIPIENT'S problem, this is a SENDER'S > problem - ie: YOU. A cardinal rule on the Internet is that any > mailserver is permitted to _not_ accept any mail for any reason whatsover. > YOU do NOT have a right to TRANSMIT mail to anyone you choose. However, > the RECIPIENT _always_ has the right to REJECT any mail they want to. > Now that we got that straight, here's how YOU can fix YOUR server. Ted, please. Don't shout. You are writing a FAQ entry right? You are trying to explain things to somebody who already has taken the trouble to check the FAQ, although nobody could possibly have told him that on any FreeBSD list, since his mails would never get through, not even to -questions, which is plain stupid BTW. How are you supposed to DTRT and ask if your mail is rejected? But this is another topic. Additionally, I really would like to see this preamble go. It simply smacks of "I have my gun and I own this house and I can do whatever the hell I want in it." This my be a popular line in some peoples' minds, but I would certainly not like it to see propagate and spread as something that should be followed. While it may be argued that you can do things to your machine, but a machine that hosts mailing lists, esp one for an OpenSource project that (notwithstanding Wes's comments to the contrary and his appreciation for the "Line up or Get lost!" approach taken by OpenBSD) actually cares about acceptance and is dependent on the people outta there, is not entirely yours and yours only anymore. You have volunteered to open it up, this brings responsibilities with it. This is not to make you happy, but to make the others happy. Sorry, that's the way it is. It especially resonates funny with the "The Power to Serve" slogen of the whole project. Who on earth are we serving then? This has nothing to do with blocking spam, this is just a general remark. Just as an aside, this alleged spam protection does not help much: The most spam I receive comes through the FreeBSD lists. And this, although my real email address is available in many public list archives on the web... it seems that spammers do have enough open relays at their disposal that match all of your criteria. Sigh. > [explanation] > Unfortunately, the increased amount of spamming done on the Internet > has forced most administrators running mailservers to take action to > block spam, or mail messages that have a high probability of being spam. Much better. <...snip...> > If your ISP's mailserver is screwed for some reason, then find what is known > as > a "promiscious open relay" mailserver on the Internet and use that. (it's a > poor substitute, since those systems generally get black-holed very quickly > by > ORBS and MAPS) Or, better yet, complain to your ISP, this is what your > paying them > for. Yeah. And if you are not paying them (like most university students here) and they have a stupid policy of not allowing relaying from all the machines but just a couple, than you are SOL. This means in my case no send-pr from my machine. (since I am of course not on the allowed list) and you cannot even do a whole lot. Because they are also people who believe that they are not here to serve others but to do whatever the hell they want... sad. > Note that the FreeBSD mailserver that the freebsd-questions mailing list > is running on is one of those Internet mailservers that follows the above > rules. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szeged University Szeged Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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